Are you getting overcrowded?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph....ges-in-your-area.html

http://www.telegraph....lion-in-a-decade.html

[Zeuhl]

Take your point Maf

I was just demonstrating the mathematical insignificance of the '£4.9 million a day' when compared with the '£14.2 billion a year'

Heaven only knows what assumptions have been made in all of these statistics

[Johnysid]

In the long run each immigrant becomes one of your countrymen. They make the same contribution as you and me on average.

Immigration is about permanent overcrowding and various population pressure transient effects. In Croydon we can see these transient effects and they are hurting our fellow, often ethnic minority, English people. These transient effects are extremely serious for people now.

jno quoted the Guardian article that said that according to the Office of Budget Responsibility immigration was a good thing. Perhaps we should quote in full:

"Higher net inward migration than in our central projection – closer to the levels we have seen in recent years, for example – would put downward pressure on borrowing and PSND, as net immigrants are more likely to be of working age than the population in general. This effect would reverse over a longer time horizon, when those immigrants who remain in the UK reach old age. " http://cdn.budgetresp...gov.uk/FSR2012WEB.pdf

Immigration is a Ponzi Scheme, baby boomers benefit now, their kids and grandchildren pay later. It is stealing from babies.

[jno]

the whole notion of pensions is a Ponzi scheme, but perhaps you would like to propose a new system to the nation?

[sandyRoe]

Should we, who are not now in the first flush of youth, worry too much about stealing from babies? Why should we worry about posterity, what has it ever done for us?

[Johnysid]

jno, a new system.. yes, sustainable economics. Any other sort of economics is unsustainable.

Filling the country with people is especially unsustainable, this recession is looking suspiciously like the predicted resource and sustainability crisis of the early twenty first century that has been predicted for the past 40 years so unsustainable "solutions" may well be catastrophic and lead to millions dying later in the century. See http://pol-check.blog...limits-to-growth.html

[dave50]

If immigration is so fantastic, why isn't every developed country in the world fighting to attract as many immigrants as possible? Doesn't the fact that they all have quotas and rigorous rules of entry tell you everything?

[venator]

Immigrants are a good investment, as long as they play the British game, paying their taxes and not taking advantage of our freedoms.

Cloud cuckoo land!

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.petitionon...com/eir/petition.html

Given a referendum on immigration, which way would you vote?

[emmie]

no more people. The last census was a joke. More not counted because of a transitory population, and many refusing to fill the thing in.

[Brenden]

Hope those who did not fill in the census form are withdrawn from the benefits system.

[emmie]

all right for the ivory tower mob in parliament, they will p1ss off to their homes in Tuscany and and leave us to it, fighting over the scraps.
Most i am sure don't live in such built up areas like London, so haven't a clue how this mass influx of people has impacted on services and dare one say indigenous people.

[emmie]

Brenden, was reading about this the other day, and not in the DM. If they don't show up on the census then supposedly they don't exist. Bunkum.
I think it was almost two years ago, i was asked if would like to speak to someone from the government office dealing with the census form, my opinons so to speak. After an hour or more, we both came to conclusion that it's a colossal waste of money.