Body & Soul0 min ago
Are they reallly just over here for an apology?
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Moony
Changing the subject again?
OK.
I know an ex member of Bomber Command who hates the 'atrocities' he took part in in WWII, deliberately bombing civilians in cities with no military targets.
But he accepts it was part of our winning the war and has to live with it.
Not sure why anyone would think that negates these kenyans entitlement to justice.
Changing the subject again?
OK.
I know an ex member of Bomber Command who hates the 'atrocities' he took part in in WWII, deliberately bombing civilians in cities with no military targets.
But he accepts it was part of our winning the war and has to live with it.
Not sure why anyone would think that negates these kenyans entitlement to justice.
<<why the British alone are singled out for this sort of thing. >>
Who says they are?
I think you'll find Mau Mau attrocities were referenced in detail earlier by a few of us, me included.
I've checked in Yellow Pages for my local branch of The Robert Mugabe Appreciation Society and can't find one.
Nor the Pol Pot Fan Club or talks on 'Why Stalin was a great humanitarian'
I've even seen some quite harsh language levelled at the Afrikaaners, Japanese POW guards and Americans for carpet bombing large portions of South East Asia.
So don't feel too picked on just because of this one case.
Who says they are?
I think you'll find Mau Mau attrocities were referenced in detail earlier by a few of us, me included.
I've checked in Yellow Pages for my local branch of The Robert Mugabe Appreciation Society and can't find one.
Nor the Pol Pot Fan Club or talks on 'Why Stalin was a great humanitarian'
I've even seen some quite harsh language levelled at the Afrikaaners, Japanese POW guards and Americans for carpet bombing large portions of South East Asia.
So don't feel too picked on just because of this one case.
There is an analysis of this problem at http://
"..if any government accepts this equivalence between actions fifty five years ago and personal actions five years ago then the Hague is undermined and Human Rights abusers can escape justice."
"..if any government accepts this equivalence between actions fifty five years ago and personal actions five years ago then the Hague is undermined and Human Rights abusers can escape justice."
No, I am absolutely opposed to States admitting current responsibility for historical crimes. There should be a limitation at 25 years. If we do not have such a limitation any present day villain, such as Kenyatta (see link above) can claim that their actions are no worse than those of any other administration.
how do our old soldiers or their families get recompense from the Japanese, they were treated appallingly. Those that survived often died on returning back to Britain, due to the malnourishment and ill treatment they had received
Not even an apology as far as i am aware. The same can be said for the chinese women who were used as sex slaves by the Japanese soldiers.
Of course this was war time, but is that any excuse. No geneva convention that one could see.
I am not condoning what happened, but perhaps some should look at what they did to their own people, where thousands died, taking aside the white settlers who were also murdered.
Should compensation be paid, don't know, but if it happens what is to say that thousands more will come out, from all sorts of places and demand the same.
Not even an apology as far as i am aware. The same can be said for the chinese women who were used as sex slaves by the Japanese soldiers.
Of course this was war time, but is that any excuse. No geneva convention that one could see.
I am not condoning what happened, but perhaps some should look at what they did to their own people, where thousands died, taking aside the white settlers who were also murdered.
Should compensation be paid, don't know, but if it happens what is to say that thousands more will come out, from all sorts of places and demand the same.
Zeuhl, I am against the modern British State acknowledging or regretting a "British" crime, even if one were committed, if that crime is over 25 years old. British politicians should condemn the use of torture by people in those times and join in requests for those people who were responsible to be brought to trial if that is appropriate, even if those people were members of the British Government at that time.
Zeuhi
/// I've even seen some quite harsh language levelled at the Afrikaaners, Japanese POW guards and Americans for carpet bombing large portions of South East Asia. ///
Blimey I did not know that any Afrikaners, or Japanese POW guards, carpet bombed large portions of South East Asia.
I must be loosing my memory or not reading the same history books as you.
/// I've even seen some quite harsh language levelled at the Afrikaaners, Japanese POW guards and Americans for carpet bombing large portions of South East Asia. ///
Blimey I did not know that any Afrikaners, or Japanese POW guards, carpet bombed large portions of South East Asia.
I must be loosing my memory or not reading the same history books as you.
<<One of the three to take the stand was Paulo Nzili, 85. In his 20-page witness statement, he gave excruciating details of how he was castrated at Embakasi detention camp by a white settler called Mr. Dunman and nicknamed Luvai, which in Mr. Nzili’s Kikamba language means “merciless person.”
“They tied both of my legs with chains and … pinned down both my hands. Then Luvai approached me with a pair of pliers which were more than a foot long and castrated me”>>
Response from creatures like bazwillrun:
<Same old apologists with the same old support anyone but UK attitude.>
What a despicable and nauseating excuse for an opinion!
Old Git
<And so are the victims of the Mau Mau at least those that are still alive to tell the tale.
Unlike you Zeuhl we are old enough to remember.>
Does your memory actually stretch to appreciating the disparities in casualties itemised in some of the posts above?
I appreciate that it was a long time ago and you were subjected to considerable propoganda at the time which will have given you a particular perspective but you now have the opportunity to gain a more intelligent and accurate perspective.
“They tied both of my legs with chains and … pinned down both my hands. Then Luvai approached me with a pair of pliers which were more than a foot long and castrated me”>>
Response from creatures like bazwillrun:
<Same old apologists with the same old support anyone but UK attitude.>
What a despicable and nauseating excuse for an opinion!
Old Git
<And so are the victims of the Mau Mau at least those that are still alive to tell the tale.
Unlike you Zeuhl we are old enough to remember.>
Does your memory actually stretch to appreciating the disparities in casualties itemised in some of the posts above?
I appreciate that it was a long time ago and you were subjected to considerable propoganda at the time which will have given you a particular perspective but you now have the opportunity to gain a more intelligent and accurate perspective.
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