Quizzes & Puzzles1 min ago
Just how ridiculous can these 'protests' get?
Isn't there something badly wrong when a cheap crappy video made specifically for the purpose of causing trouble can provoke such knee-jerk outrage. Shouldn't it just be dismissed as the rubbish it is? How thin skinned can these morons be?
People like this don't help ..
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Cynical hijacking of the issue for political purposes. It wouldn't surprise me if it was an organisation like his that made the thing in the first place.
People like this don't help ..
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Cynical hijacking of the issue for political purposes. It wouldn't surprise me if it was an organisation like his that made the thing in the first place.
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"Just because we as a society do not feel as strongly about our faith as they do does not make us right and them wrong."
I respect the point you're making here, Andy, but I don't think it actually works.
You're right of course - philosophica
I respect the point you're making here, Andy, but I don't think it actually works.
You're right of course - philosophica
14:44 Mon 17th Sep 2012
is an insult better or worse if it's professionally acted with a million-dollar budget and lots of fancy CGI?
Surely rather than the "cheap crappy" it's the "made to cause trouble" that's the issue? Someone delivers a deliberate insult, and the object duly feels insulted. That's not really badly wrong, that's how things are meant to work.
Surely rather than the "cheap crappy" it's the "made to cause trouble" that's the issue? Someone delivers a deliberate insult, and the object duly feels insulted. That's not really badly wrong, that's how things are meant to work.
// Someone delivers a deliberate insult, and the object duly feels insulted. That's not really badly wrong, that's how things are meant to work. //
Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that. It's the reaction to it that I'm questioning, as I'm sure you're aware. It seems out of all proportion to the nature of the insult.
Someone insulted me the other day. I was offended but took it on the chin. I'm not rampaging through the streets burning things. I haven't killed some random person that happened to come from the same town as the person that insulted me. I'm not calling for an international law to make it illegal for anyone to insult ludwig.
Absolutely. I don't have a problem with that. It's the reaction to it that I'm questioning, as I'm sure you're aware. It seems out of all proportion to the nature of the insult.
Someone insulted me the other day. I was offended but took it on the chin. I'm not rampaging through the streets burning things. I haven't killed some random person that happened to come from the same town as the person that insulted me. I'm not calling for an international law to make it illegal for anyone to insult ludwig.
sandy.
// In a speech broadcast on Hezbollah's al-Manar TV station, Sheikh Nasrallah called for a week of protests not only against American embassies, but also to press Muslim governments to express their own anger to the US. //
The American government didn't make the film, so how is this calling for those who are directly responsible to be held accountable?
// In a speech broadcast on Hezbollah's al-Manar TV station, Sheikh Nasrallah called for a week of protests not only against American embassies, but also to press Muslim governments to express their own anger to the US. //
The American government didn't make the film, so how is this calling for those who are directly responsible to be held accountable?
<<"Those who should be held accountable, punished, prosecuted and boycotted are those directly responsible for this film and those who stand behind them and those who support and protect them," primarily the US, Sheikh Nasrallah said.>>
<<He says the primary responsibility lies with the governments in the Arab and Islamic worlds to pressure for steps to ensure that Islam and the other revealed religions are respected and that "this door is closed for good">>
I don't think you read the article with sufficient care, Sandy.
Note that taken literally the pourer of oil would include Mormonism as a belief which was immune to criticism. Apparently Hinduism and Buddhism remain fair game.
<<He says the primary responsibility lies with the governments in the Arab and Islamic worlds to pressure for steps to ensure that Islam and the other revealed religions are respected and that "this door is closed for good">>
I don't think you read the article with sufficient care, Sandy.
Note that taken literally the pourer of oil would include Mormonism as a belief which was immune to criticism. Apparently Hinduism and Buddhism remain fair game.
ludwig - it is essential to view this situation in terms of cultural identity.
Someone insulted you, and you took it on the chin. That's because you are a Western man, with commensurate behavioral attitudes, which are typical of people of the West.
You have to consider that the Muslim faith is not like Christianity if inedeed you are a Christian.
Christians live with their faith as part of their lives, and to varying degrees, they allow it to dicate their attitudes and behaviours.
For devout Muslims, their faith IS their lives, they are MUslims first and above anything else. Their faith directs their lives, and attitudes and politics to a degree which is difficult for Westerners to appreciate. That is why a small minority are reacting in such an extreme fashion - to do any other is as alien to them as it is to us to turn the proverbial other cheek.
That in no way excuses the extreme demonstrations and attrocities that have taken place, but it does place them in context.
So, the Muslims in question are not 'thin-skinned' - they feel that the very core of their being has been mocked and riddiculed, and they react with varyind degrees of anger.
I would repeat, I am not in any way attempting to justify the reactions in some quarters, merely to try and offer a degree of understanding as to why the reaction is so exrtreme, and so widespread.
The medium of the insult (a particularly lousy piece of film with some even more badly dubbed additional dialogue) is not the issue - the insult stands, and that is what needs to be understood, if we are to try and deal with the fall-out in a productive manner.
Someone insulted you, and you took it on the chin. That's because you are a Western man, with commensurate behavioral attitudes, which are typical of people of the West.
You have to consider that the Muslim faith is not like Christianity if inedeed you are a Christian.
Christians live with their faith as part of their lives, and to varying degrees, they allow it to dicate their attitudes and behaviours.
For devout Muslims, their faith IS their lives, they are MUslims first and above anything else. Their faith directs their lives, and attitudes and politics to a degree which is difficult for Westerners to appreciate. That is why a small minority are reacting in such an extreme fashion - to do any other is as alien to them as it is to us to turn the proverbial other cheek.
That in no way excuses the extreme demonstrations and attrocities that have taken place, but it does place them in context.
So, the Muslims in question are not 'thin-skinned' - they feel that the very core of their being has been mocked and riddiculed, and they react with varyind degrees of anger.
I would repeat, I am not in any way attempting to justify the reactions in some quarters, merely to try and offer a degree of understanding as to why the reaction is so exrtreme, and so widespread.
The medium of the insult (a particularly lousy piece of film with some even more badly dubbed additional dialogue) is not the issue - the insult stands, and that is what needs to be understood, if we are to try and deal with the fall-out in a productive manner.
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