Should it be up to Britain and not Europe. who we allow into the country?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co...with-no-jobs-urges-MP

[lcg]

yes (sod europe.......).

[Zeuhl]

Only if you're happy to see all the ex-pat Brits (many of them pensioners) turfed out of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy etc because those countries have decided they aren't allowed there.

[jake-the-peg]

I thought it was up to Dirty Desmond and his Daily Excess to tell everybody what we should do

[Zeuhl]

All the people I know wo live in europe are of working age including one of our smaller associate companies.

The four of them took themselves off to Italy four years ago because they like to have summer road cycling and winter skiing on their doorstep. They would be very put out if they had to come back here.

[KerrAvon]

It should be up to all the nations of the world to decide who they let in. If that means ex pats get turfed out of France/Spain etc then fair enough if that's the choice of France/Spain etc.

[KerrAvon]

if they have chosen to emigrate Zeuhl then I doubt that would be an issue.

[Zeuhl]

^
LOL

Don't let Sqad, Netibiza or the others see that!

[Zeuhl]

<chosen to emigrate Zeuhl >

you don't emigrate to Italy Kerr it's in the EC - you simply have a right to reside

unlike Switzerland where they went first but had to leave after 12 months

[KerrAvon]

It is currently a right of residence but that does not exclude an application for citizenship, if the person in question wants to make sure they stay.

[joeluke]

Our country, our rules

We should take the Aussie stance on immigration

[naomi24]

Yes, it should be up to Britain. The link is talking about people who have no job and hence cannot support themselves. The British who go to live in European countries support themselves and are not a burden on the state. That’s the difference.

[emmie]

I know that the original inhabitants of Australia were not the Europeans, before it's mentioned. But Aussie friends have said they have a massive problem with immigration, and that now they have had to clamp down on incomers.

[emmie]

it what i have said all along, those British who have settled elsewhere generally have gone with enough money to support themselves, start businesses, or buy retirement homes. Many who come to Britain haven't a proverbial pot to pee in, so not only do we have to look after them, once the relatives start arriving, those too.

[sandyRoe]

Around the end of the 19th Century the Eastern Europeans, and Russians, who were coming to make new lives here in the UK, were Jews. When they came they would have been subjected to the same sort of xenophobic bilge we're still hearing about Romanians and Bulgarians.
Give them a chance. In years to come our country will benefit as much from them as we have from our Jewish community.

[naomi24]

sandyRoe, at the end of the 19th century there was no welfarer state, so the people who came here had no alternative but to support themselves. There is no comparison between then and now.

[naomi24]

*welfare

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

/// Only if you're happy to see all the ex-pat Brits (many of them pensioners) turfed out of France, Spain, Portugal, Italy etc because those countries have decided they aren't allowed there. ///

Who said anything about turfing out all those already here?

But if those British who wanted to move to France, Spain, Portugal, Italy etc were criminals, couldn't support themselves, were in ill health or wanted to enjoy the financial benefits that the locals enjoyed, without first paying into the schemes, then yes I would have no objection at seeing those countries refusing entrance to those British also.

[emmie]

that is the biggest difference in times gone by, the welfare state. If we didn't have it, at least not in it's current form, do you honestly think we would have half the people who have come here in recent days, my answer would be no. All the bilge about how immigration has done us the world of good seems to miss the point that we are a very small island, and it's shrinking at an alarming rate. And for those who wish to see more people come here then where on earth do we put them. Or send their children to school, or hospital treatment. The difference in the Jews coming here, and it is true they faced a rough time, have assimilated, unlike many of their asian counterparts who have not.

[naomi24]

There's no doubt that many immigrants are of great benefit to this country - but equally there's no doubt that many are not. I think it's time we were selective.

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

And also the population was much smaller then, and we didn't have a job shortage, a shortage of houses, overcrowded schools, and of course a crumbling NHS.

The immigrants in those days came to this country under their own power and in some cases penniless, but they looked after themselves, formed communities that looked after each other, and so started up businesses, which in turn made them self providing.