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Why do they give such low sentences
for such a serious crime. I will never understand our legal system
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As others have said Em, this does not seem to be the best illustration of your point. Indefinite sentences might get reviewed regularly, but that does not mean an automatic release on licence, or on bail, or by any other means.
Not that I am an expert or anything, but I cannot think of any adult criminals sentenced to an indefinite sentence that have been released early...
Not that I am an expert or anything, but I cannot think of any adult criminals sentenced to an indefinite sentence that have been released early...
Yet again people do not realize what an indeterminate sentence is.
This person could well be in jail for life, the 5 years is just the minimum time to the first possible chance of a review . Every jail sentence over 4 years now HAS to have a review date , the review date is NOT the date of release . In reality it will be far more than 5 years before this sentence is reviewed.
This person could well be in jail for life, the 5 years is just the minimum time to the first possible chance of a review . Every jail sentence over 4 years now HAS to have a review date , the review date is NOT the date of release . In reality it will be far more than 5 years before this sentence is reviewed.
em10
Yeah - I had to re-read the link because I thought he'd been given five years. If someone is sentenced to an indefinite term, there is very little chance he could be out in five years. If that were the case, as someone else has pointed out, he wouldn't have been given an indefinite sentence. I'm no legal expert, so I'm going on precedent.
Another point...his case is up for review in five years, which I believe is completely different from being up for parole. (Some else to verify that?).
Yeah - I had to re-read the link because I thought he'd been given five years. If someone is sentenced to an indefinite term, there is very little chance he could be out in five years. If that were the case, as someone else has pointed out, he wouldn't have been given an indefinite sentence. I'm no legal expert, so I'm going on precedent.
Another point...his case is up for review in five years, which I believe is completely different from being up for parole. (Some else to verify that?).
em10, I repeat. These indeterminate sentences are designed to have exactly the effect you desire. They're a comparatively new thing, came in in 2005 and are designed to get round the idea that Whole Life sentences are inhumane. This guy's not going to see the outside of a jail for a very, very long time, if at all.
And he won't enjoy it much, either.
And he won't enjoy it much, either.
em10 the link you gave refers to the old system where an offender was sentenced to a specific number of years , under that system an offender could have been given 15 years but get out in 8. The new system is made to get over that, an indeterminate sentence means the person will not get out until the authorities think they are no longer a threat. Even when they do get out as the sentence was indeterminate , it effectively never ends . If they re-offend they can be put straight back in jail without a further trial, under the old system once they were released that was it sentence finished, so if they re-offended they would have to be tried for the new offence . Also remember that a new trial could not mention their previous offences so the chance of getting off are much greater.
The newspapers report these stories by quoting the 'review date' as though it were a release date because it generates more indignation, as has been illustrated here. If they told the truth and said that he would probably serve 15 to 25 years and still be liable to recall at any time , it would not be as 'newsworthy'
The newspapers report these stories by quoting the 'review date' as though it were a release date because it generates more indignation, as has been illustrated here. If they told the truth and said that he would probably serve 15 to 25 years and still be liable to recall at any time , it would not be as 'newsworthy'
//was i said, and why should i know. I am sorry that some feel that my question is wrong, that i am wrong in what i have said, however for the sake of other poor parents why don't we lock this man up for good, no inconsistency, no indeterminate sentence, just life to mean life. //
You don't appear to be reading the answers.
You don't appear to be reading the answers.
There are less than 30 prisoners in the UK who are serving a 'Whole Life Tariff' which means they will never get out,( Ian Brady for example) this crime, bad as it is is not in that league. On the other hand there are 1,000s of prisoners serving 'life' but with out a whole life tariff who could be released on licence.
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