Amsterdam to create 'scum villages'

[naomi24]

Amsterdam is to create "Scum villages" where nuisance neighbours and anti-social tenants will be exiled from the city and rehoused in caravans or containers with "minimal services" under constant police supervision. In an effort to protect the law-abiding, should Britain do something similar?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/netherlands/9719247/Amsterdam-to-create-scum-villages.html

[AB Editor]

The problem is that you're creating slums from which no children born to it are likely to rise from.

Should Britain do this? Probably not, although I am sure there are plenty who would welcome the respite from public nuisances.

[ummmm]

I think they are already doing it.

[NOX]

I have reservations about this for a few reasons which are briefly these:-
1. It's very easy to level down- less so to level up and I think places like this will normalise unpleasant behaviour.
2. Are these going to include people with young children- if so that could not just propagate the very behaviour we're trying to curb but be quite dangerous.
3. What happens to ' mixed' families- where there are no problems with some member but lots of problems with others?
4. Does anyone really think that this alone will change anything- if the underlying problems of WHY people are antisocial are still there then it won't alter or solves anything, just create a sub culture.

[NOX]

The next suggestion to counteract that Ed will be to take any kids born there into care and have them adopted- very slippery slope imho to all sorts of horrors we really need to avoid at all costs.

[sunny-dave]

It's only a bit like AB on a bad day - the well-to-do residents of News and Crosswords would happily see the scum from CB walled-off and deprived of all but minimal services.

< which for the benefit of the 'hard of thinking' is not another 'typically crass' intervention, but an allegorical musing designed to show the imherent stupidity of the Amsterdam idea >

[ummmm]

Do you seriously think it's not happening already?

It certainly is in Northants and has been for a long time.

[sunny-dave]

that's 'inherent', dratted fat fingers

[NOX]

I think it happens everywhere to some extent Ummm, but not usually under the banner of propagating political popularity.

[ummmm]

That's the only difference, Noxy.

[VHG]

It already goes on here to a certain extent.

Often councils stick the "bad" council tennats in certain areas or on certain council estates.

The "good" council tennants are put in the better homes or the better council estates.

[danchip]

Haven't councils and housing authorities been doing this for years, where i grew up there was 2 local council estates, decent families were housed in one and the scum were housed in another!

Who determines who these nuisance neighbours are, you could end up being exiled because of somebody having a personal vendetta against you, if somebody owns there house how ca you force them to move to this area, how can you stop them moving out of this area or is it going to be a modern day concentration camp, the next step will be having white families in one, black families in one etc.

[vulcan]

Rehoused in containers with minimal services,under constant police supervision. If you change police to warder, doesn't that description become prison?

[argorstran]

Hello Naomi (.....are you AOG in drag today?.....-only kidding)
The problem with "under constant police supervision " is that it will divert already hard-pressed police resources from other areas .
This may give the (more dangerous) clever thinking professional criminal a better chance of burgling your house when you're at work as there will be less people and police around to watch what's going on .

[naomi24]

argorstran, //are you AOG in drag today?.....-only kidding//

No, I'm not. This was being discussed on the Wright Stuff this morning - similarly my question earlier about the man with the brain tumour who is being deported from New Zealand - and I thought both would make for interesting discussion here. I haven't given my opinion on either - I've simply thrown a couple of questions, that I thought were interesting, open to ABers to discuss.

[argorstran]

That's fair enough Naomi - they're good questions . I hope you didn't mind the little bit of leg-pulling there .

[naomi24]

argorstran, 'Leg-pulling' around here is becoming a little tedious.

[sandyRoe]

Just as privilege cascades down the generations so does deprivation. The innocent children of families from these sink estates will be tarred with the same brush as their neighbours. Not a good idea.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// I've simply thrown a couple of questions, that I thought were interesting, open to ABers to discuss. ///

Now you should know better than to post questions that are not loyal to the party line.

I notice that you also thought it wise not to give any opinion, perhaps a wise decision since it is also very unsafe to hold any opinions that are different to those of others.

[anotheoldgit]

VHG

/// Often councils stick the "bad" council tennats in certain areas or on certain council estates. ///

I seem to remember a time when certain left-wing councils put problem families alongside decent families in the hope that some of the 'decency' would rub off.