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Along with all other discipline it seems, who told that kid he could bend the peak of his uniform cap in such a way?
Soon they will be allowed to wear the peak either at the side or at the back.
What is the World coming to?
Along with all other discipline it seems, who told that kid he could bend the peak of his uniform cap in such a way?
Soon they will be allowed to wear the peak either at the side or at the back.
What is the World coming to?
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Mick-Talbot
/// Well, that lets my kids in at last but I don't think they will bother. ///
So they are old enough to make their own minds up regarding religion are they, or do they have to take on their father's stance?
In which case I can see why they won't be bothered in joining the Scouts, taking the attitude of their Dad.
/// Well, that lets my kids in at last but I don't think they will bother. ///
So they are old enough to make their own minds up regarding religion are they, or do they have to take on their father's stance?
In which case I can see why they won't be bothered in joining the Scouts, taking the attitude of their Dad.
AB Editor
/// The question could be: "Are they not a Christan group any more?" they certainly were , does them being inclusive effect their "Christian Group" status? ///
Not in the least Ed, but being a Christian group means that anyone is welcome to join, but there are certain rules and ceremonies one must adhere to.
For example, an atheist would be only too welcome if they wished to join the Church, but the question is why would they wish to?
/// The question could be: "Are they not a Christan group any more?" they certainly were , does them being inclusive effect their "Christian Group" status? ///
Not in the least Ed, but being a Christian group means that anyone is welcome to join, but there are certain rules and ceremonies one must adhere to.
For example, an atheist would be only too welcome if they wished to join the Church, but the question is why would they wish to?
naomi24
AOG, //What is the World coming to?//
/// I’m not sure if that refers to the possible acceptance of atheists into the scouts, or to the kid bending the peak of his cap. Could you please clarify? ///
All part of the same thing, a lax in attitudes these days.
Would I be wrong to say "NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"
In fact I can never even remember anyone being an 'Atheist', or even a 'REPUBLICAN'.
Most if not all honoured God and the King/Queen.
AOG, //What is the World coming to?//
/// I’m not sure if that refers to the possible acceptance of atheists into the scouts, or to the kid bending the peak of his cap. Could you please clarify? ///
All part of the same thing, a lax in attitudes these days.
Would I be wrong to say "NEVER HAPPENED IN MY DAY"
In fact I can never even remember anyone being an 'Atheist', or even a 'REPUBLICAN'.
Most if not all honoured God and the King/Queen.
sp1814
/// There are fewer church-goers than there were 50 years ago.///
That is quite true, but is that a good thing or a bad thing?
We won't delve back too far in history when many bad things happened on behalf of Christianity so as to prove a certain point.
Let's just go back to the 30s for example, most families were God fairing, which wasn't a bad thing,it not only held the family together but also the Nation.
Even for those families not particularly what one would call religious, would observe the Sabbath, also making sure their children did likewise.
It was a matter of 'best clothes' on from first thing in the morning, that meant no playing outside in case they got mucky, after a family dinner, it was off to Sunday School, and later off for a walk in the afternoon, followed by 'Sunday Tea' mainly Salad and fruit and cream for 'afters', then off for evening service at the church.
Not much fun by today's standards one may say, but it did set us up for the week ahead, and much more acceptable for the long religious based assembly each school morning, and our Scouts promise on Scout's night.
/// There are fewer church-goers than there were 50 years ago.///
That is quite true, but is that a good thing or a bad thing?
We won't delve back too far in history when many bad things happened on behalf of Christianity so as to prove a certain point.
Let's just go back to the 30s for example, most families were God fairing, which wasn't a bad thing,it not only held the family together but also the Nation.
Even for those families not particularly what one would call religious, would observe the Sabbath, also making sure their children did likewise.
It was a matter of 'best clothes' on from first thing in the morning, that meant no playing outside in case they got mucky, after a family dinner, it was off to Sunday School, and later off for a walk in the afternoon, followed by 'Sunday Tea' mainly Salad and fruit and cream for 'afters', then off for evening service at the church.
Not much fun by today's standards one may say, but it did set us up for the week ahead, and much more acceptable for the long religious based assembly each school morning, and our Scouts promise on Scout's night.
One of the signs that the world is generally getting better -apart from the steady reduction in deaths in international conflict and the decline in violent crime in the developed world - is the disappearance of 'God fearing'
Clearly that sort of medieval thinking is only a step up from voodoo and the threats of a witch-doctor but perhaps aog (or anyone) could try and explain:
1. why it is a good thing to control people through fear
2. how are you supposed to maintain that control when people become more enlightened and questioning
Or are questioning and enlightenment also things to be suppressed?
Clearly that sort of medieval thinking is only a step up from voodoo and the threats of a witch-doctor but perhaps aog (or anyone) could try and explain:
1. why it is a good thing to control people through fear
2. how are you supposed to maintain that control when people become more enlightened and questioning
Or are questioning and enlightenment also things to be suppressed?
AOG, //All part of the same thing, a lax in attitudes these days.//
//Most if not all honoured God and the King/Queen.//
Why are they ‘lax’ attitudes? There’s no evidence for the existence of God, and the Queen has been born into a privileged position, so I’d say the attitudes of those who don’t automatically defer to either are considered rather than lax – which isn’t a bad thing because it means people are becoming more educated, and hence, confident in their own opinions – even if those opinions do buck the status quo. It’s high time that, in some instances, the status quo was ‘bucked’!
//Most if not all honoured God and the King/Queen.//
Why are they ‘lax’ attitudes? There’s no evidence for the existence of God, and the Queen has been born into a privileged position, so I’d say the attitudes of those who don’t automatically defer to either are considered rather than lax – which isn’t a bad thing because it means people are becoming more educated, and hence, confident in their own opinions – even if those opinions do buck the status quo. It’s high time that, in some instances, the status quo was ‘bucked’!
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Mick-Talbot
/// Well, that lets my kids in at last but I don't think they will bother. ///
So they are old enough to make their own minds up regarding religion are they, or do they have to take on their father's stance?
They are very intelligent kids and have made up their own minds. The only god they do believe in is me ;0)
Mick-Talbot
/// Well, that lets my kids in at last but I don't think they will bother. ///
So they are old enough to make their own minds up regarding religion are they, or do they have to take on their father's stance?
They are very intelligent kids and have made up their own minds. The only god they do believe in is me ;0)
//"Children only 'mirror image' their parents teachings."//
If that’s true, and if in your day most honoured God and the King/Queen, and you don’t recall there being any atheists, I have to ask where those parents who fail to lead their children along what you think is the right path got their ideas from?
If that’s true, and if in your day most honoured God and the King/Queen, and you don’t recall there being any atheists, I have to ask where those parents who fail to lead their children along what you think is the right path got their ideas from?
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