Is It Really Important For Gay Footballers To Come Out Of The Closet?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2257057/West-Ham-star-footballer-appear-gay-magazine-cover-tries-crush-games-stigmas.html

/// Changes in attitudes within football were highlighted following a recent study by the University of Staffordshire which suggested the majority of fans would welcome players coming out as gay. ///

/// The study, as reported by The Independent, found that 40 per cent of fans blamed clubs and agents for keeping gay footballers under wraps. ///

In my opinion, football has enough problems with racism, without adding homophobia to them.

What do you think, would it be a good thing for gay footballers to 'come out'?

[anotheoldgit]

/// There will obviously be bonehead Sun/Daily Mail readers who will abuse them, but that is life. ///

Classing all readers of these two newspapers as 'boneheads' is a disgusting and offensive insult, to their readers.

But then to make such over generations as this, one must be in the forefront of 'BONE-HEADEDNESS'.

[ummmm]

I love typos :-)

[Zeuhl]

On the subject of 'bone heads'

perhaps aog you can explain where Gromit 'classes all readers' of the Sun/Mail as such

If you read it properly, all he actually suggests that the papers have some such people among their readers

[wolf63]

Did some American guy not say that "I have a dream"? This was just before I was born. There is still racial bigotry - but we are moving, slowly, in the right direction.

Eventually/hopefully we will all be accepted for who we are and not what we are. I don't care if somebody is gay, black, ginger, English etc. I suppose it is all a bit about being comfortable in who we are ourselves.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

AOG

/// Do you think that straight football players should date women in secret? ///

What has that got to do with the question I asked? I just cannot understand your reasoning, incidentally why should they keep it a secret?

/// Do you object to knowing that straight players are straight? ///

Couldn't care less either way, why should I?

//// If not - why the objection to gay players openly having boyfriends? ///

Where in the world have I said that?

Why do you continue to ask me such ridicules questions, when I haven't gave you any cause?

The question I asked was "Is It Really Important For Gay Footballers To Come Out Of The Closet"?

I was in no way attacking homosexuality, just why the need for them 'come out', which makes no difference to the game of Soccer either way.

By stating my opinion that football has enough problems with racism, without adding homophobia to them, was only made in light of some football crowd members chanting out racist insults, so one could imagine the insults that would be added if they knew that a player happened to be gay?

In future sp please do not ask me to qualify statements that I have never made, which will in turn save me from wasting my time having to explain to you, your mistakes.

[Zeuhl]

Perhaps we would make better progress aog if you were clear about what you mean by 'coming out'

My understanding is that it means people being honest and open about their sexuality rather than concealing it.

So are you asking;

/Is it really important for gay footballers to be honest and open?/

If so, I would have thought those are characteristics we should all aspire to in all aspects of our lives. Or do you disagree?

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

/// If you read it properly, all he actually suggests that the papers have some such people among their readers ///

Perhaps you would care to read Gromit's comments yourself?

/// There will obviously be bonehead Sun/Daily Mail readers who will abuse them, but that is life. ///

No suggestiveness of 'some' anywhere.

Wow! this bone-headedness seems to be catching.

[Answerprancer]

Here you go again Git, setting posts that ask questions about controversial subject matters then getting all aresey when you don't like the responses.
You asked for opinions, you're getting them Move on.

[anotheoldgit]

Zeuhl

/// Perhaps we would make better progress aog if you were clear about what you mean by 'coming out' ///

Do I have to explain each and every word I say, or are you just being confrontational for the heck of it?

/// My understanding is that it means people being honest and open about their sexuality rather than concealing it. ///

Well you have answered it yourself, that wasn't too difficult for you was it?

/// So are you asking; ///

/// Is it really important for gay footballers to be honest and open? ///

It is important for all people to be open and honest, gay or straight, it matters not, but we all know that is an utopian dream, that will never happen.

/// If so, I would have thought those are characteristics we should all aspire to in all aspects of our lives. Or do you disagree? ///

I refer you to the answer I gave previously.

[Zeuhl]

No aog

your English to Gittish translation is letting you down again

/bonehead Sun/Daily Mail readers/

clearly such creatures exist, or are you seriously suggesting there are no boneheads among the Sun/Mail readers?

there will obviously be brummy Sun/Daily Mail readers who ...
What! all Sun/Mail readers are brummies?

there will obviously be female Sun/Daily Mail readers who ...
What! all Sun/Mail readers are female?

To define ALL Sun/Mail readers as boneheads one could use the Definitive Article 'The'

e.g. There will obviously be the bonehead Sun/Daily Mail readers who will abuse them, but that is life.

or to be really clear
There will obviously be the Sun/Daily Mail readers who are all Boneheads and will abuse them, but that is life.

Is boneheadedness another word for fossilising of the brain?

[Answerprancer]

You know what Git, I think you often bite off more than you can chew intellectually when you continually post your potentially inflammatory news items.
Always the same sort of stuff too - you're like a stuck record.

[anotheoldgit]

Answerprancer

/// Here you go again Git, setting posts that ask questions about controversial subject matters then getting all aresey when you don't like the responses.
You asked for opinions, you're getting them Move on. ///

For your information Answer p****, I do not get 'ARESEY' (whatever that may be) at intelligent answers, and I do not ask for opinions on matters that have no connection to the question asked.

So perhaps it is you who should move on, but I am too polite to say where too.

[Zeuhl]

/Do I have to explain each and every word I say, or are you just being confrontational for the heck of it?/

Not every word - but 'coming out' is an abstraction that is at the centre of your argument - so having a clear, shared understanding would seem useful don't you think?

Not clarifying it is a sign of either inability to articulate your thoughts or an intent to use abstraction in order to evade honest debate.

/Well you have answered it yourself, that wasn't too difficult for you was it?/

No it was very easy for me to articulate my understanding which I then shared with you. It is a pity you don't have the good manners (or intellectual ability) to reciprocate.


/It is important for all people to be open and honest, gay or straight, it matters not, but we all know that is an utopian dream, that will never happen./

That is a very revealing (and depressing) view of life aog
I am open and honest in my dealings, particularly with my closest family and friends.

It seems you live to a different set of values so it is understandable why you would expect others to live lives of concealment, secrecy and dishonesty.

[anotheoldgit]

Answerprancer

/// You know what Git, I think you often bite off more than you can chew intellectually when you continually post your potentially inflammatory news items. ///

Not in the least it is obvious when I post my 'potentially inflammatory news items'. they in turn annoy some that much that they often (no, always) resort to personal insults, and must also get their blood pressures up, why I do not know because they are not forced to read or respond to my threads, but they do.

Which only goes to prove their lack of intelligence, not mine.

[sp1814]

AOG

Your question is:

"Is It Really Important For Gay Footballers To Come Out Of The Closet?"

My answer is "yes", and the reason I give is that if straight people don't hide their relationships, why should gay people?

Do you agree with that sentiment?

[sp1814]

My questions were completely relevant to you post.

You asked whether it's important for gay players to come out.

I say 'yes'.

Do you think that gay players should keep their relationships secret?

Is that what you believe?

[Zeuhl]

/they are not forced to read or respond to my threads, but they do./

No one has suggested enforced reading or responding aog

But clearly, when posts appear that are dishonest, misleading, foolish or thinly disguised vehicles for projecting some prejudice or other then ABers will want to point out the shortcomings and stupidity in those posts

I'm sorry if you feel you are often in the firing line for that sort of critical response

But on the available evidence on these pages, I'm not sure you are best equipped to judge the relative 'intelligence' of your posts and others