Asylum Seekers Coming To The Uk

[sp1814]

This report is a decade old, but it's useful as a springboard for a question I'm curious about:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1523226.stm

Why are so many people convinced that asylum seekers come to the UK to bleed the benefits system?

Does the above study and the one below carry less weight than the stories carried by other media outlets?

http://www.unhcr.org.uk/about-us/the-uk-and-asylum.html

[naomi24]

SP, it happens.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7883694/Former-asylum-seekers-given-housing-benefit-for-8000-a-month-Kensington-home.html

[arwyn]

Naomi shall we buy them a big flash jeep to do the school run in lol.

[daisya]

I have to apologise for not reading through the whole of the postings. I am commenting on the title of the thread. I am fed up with anyone...not just asylum seekers coming to the UK...anyone who wants to reside here without the means of supporting themselves. This IS AN ISLAND for goodness sake. Finite resources, finite services....for whomsoever! Doesn't matter if they are indingenous peoples IMO or anyone... there is just so much capacity...but our wonderful (huh) leaders feel that we must open our borders to all and sundry because of the dictates of the EU.

Why won't we stand up to them...our masters? Enough is enough surely, be they Irish, European, Commenwealth...anyone....enough is enough...we have limited services, funds, land, housing et al....why oh why are we over populating this lovely island and eventually destroying (IMO) our quality of life? Surely it IS quality not quantity that matters when it comes to human habitation? What The Funicular is going on, why are we allowing it...why are we making life unbearable for future generations? No one will understand until it happens....and it WILL happen believe me. Too much population will have an adverse effect on quality of life....but that seems not to be taken into consideration...am I a voice in the wilderness....or is someone out there actually taking notice......

[arwyn]

Here here daisya I agree with every word you said and applaud you ..

[sp1814]

daisya

I hear what you're sayin, but have look at the links I posted. Makes for interesting reading.

[sp1814]

naomi24

It happens, but is it 'the norm'?

I'm beginning to think it's not...!

[sandyRoe]

Isn't it true that the birth rate is dropping and we'll need these foreigners to earn the wages to pay the taxes that will help support us in our old age?

[sp1814]

sandyRoe

I read that it's (the birth rate) has flattened out, but because the baby boomers are now all retired, we need to increase the numbers of people in employment to pay for pensions.

Apparently (and I didn't know this until last year), the pension you receive upon retirement isn't wholly made up of you contributions over your working career. A large part of it comes from the NI that people are paying at the time you retire.

Therefore, we need high employment now, to pay for the pensions we're paying out now.

Then there's the issue of the 'skills gap', which many countries suffer from, but it's best not to bring that up, because it muddies the water a lot.

[emmie]

we have had people come to Britain, it may be they are asylum seekers or bunked in on the back of a lorry, they are not ones who can be put to use, if they have no skill sets we really need. they will need housing, and no i am not being hard hearted, they may come because of poor conditions in their countries, but as been pointed out too many times, we have finite resources, and simply cannot support more and more people wherever they come from.
as to birth rates, most seem to agree that it is largely ethnic minorities who are pushing up the birth rates, which means more resources on hospitals, schools, housing. I have only to look locally to see the problems of having people from one community only, parts of the area looks like a ghetto. If the people who have come in recent days don't settle permanently, and eventually go home, and there is a possibility, where will we be then, if we are relying on their future incomes.
it also makes no sense of millions of people languishing on the dole, with millions more arriving.

[emmie]

sure there are other stats someplace to look at

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9634127/One-in-four-British-babies-born-to-foreign-mothers.html

[naomi24]

SP, //It happens, but is it 'the norm'?

I'm beginning to think it's not...! //

It shouldn't be happening at all!

[emmie]

what makes any one think the baby boomers have all retired, please note the retirement age has shifted, and many cannot afford to retire at any rate, as they have been screwed over by countless governments, over private pensions particularly, and now we hear that inheritance tax is to be raised to pay in part for the future care of the elderly. If you don't pop your clogs in a filthy and badly run NHS hospital first of course.

[sp1814]

em10

The baby boom happened over a 10-12 year period, so they won't all be retiring together, but there's a recognised 'bump' in the number of older people retiring which isn't matched by younger people coming into the employment market.

[sp1814]

em10

I'm not sure what point you're making with the Telegraph report...?

[emmie]

to your idea that the baby boom is flattening, or however you put it. It obviously isn't.

[emmie]

and i wonder why the younger people are not coming into the job market?

[emmie]

which is what i linked to in the Telegraph.

One in four British babies born to foreign mothers
Immigrants have fuelled a mini-baby boom in Britain over the last decade, with one in four children now born to a record 200,000 foreign mothers a year.

[sp1814]

em10

No the baby boom can't flatten. The 'bump' has been there for decades.

Ah - now I see what you mean (reading your follow up post).

The baby boom I was referring to was the post war one. I don't know if we really are seeing another baby boom on the scale of the one from the fifties though. I don't know whether figures support that.

With regards to young people entering the job market - they are. The global recession is partly to blame for the current high unemployment rate.

[emmie]

the baby boom started in 1946, which isn't surprising is it? war ends, soldiers come home, have sex, boom, of course no one mentions all the babies born to mothers who husbands were overseas, but you know what let us leave that for another day. I was mainly referring to the mini boom of recent days, all sources seem to agree that it is being primed by foreign born mothers.

[FredPuli43]

The birth rate steadily declined from 2000 (11.76 per 1,000) ,year by year,until it was 10.65 in 2009. But in 2010 it was suddenly 12.34, the highest in 40 years (and the cue for outraged tabloid headlines, ignoring the previous years), then 12.29 in 2011 and 12.27 in 2012.

What mini baby boom is meant? The leap from 10.65 to 12.34 in one year?

The fertility rate , births per woman, is still lower in the UK than in France or Ireland.