Is This Bureaucracy Gone Mad?

[anotheoldgit]

Here we have two cases, one where they are thinking of removing the rights of light through our windows, and the other where a farmer has built a lovely building, and just because he failed to get planning permission he will be forced to knock it down.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280839/Laws-allow-homeowners-stop-development-block-sunlight-reined-in.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2280764/Farmer-told-MUST-pull-castle-built-secretly-haystacks-loses-year-planning-row.html

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

/// And you seem to be suggesting that homeowners should not have the right to object if a proposed construction might impede access to natural light - That seems perfectly acceptable to me, also. ///

And where have I suggested that?

On the contrary I do not think that the old ruling about the right of light through one's windows should be changed.

I would object most forcefully if anyone erected a building that restricted light into any window in my residence.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// *the combination of mock Tudor and Elizabethan castle is hideous in my opinon. ///

Everyman to his own SP, but it is no 'Dale Farm' surely?

[sp1814]

I would object most forcefully if anyone erected a building that restricted light into any window in my residence.

Reading the article, I don't think your right to object would be taken away.

[Zeuhl]

It is irrelevant whether any members of the public or 'neighbours' objected to the house built illegally by the farmer

It was built on Green Belt

As such, the council are supposed to be the guardians of the Green Belt on our behalf and that of our descendants.

He tried it on and failed. He should concede defeat, pull it down and pay the council's legal costs.

[magsmay]

@jake
//i f your job requires you to be on hand you can be granted planning permission. //

which planet do you live on jake cos can I come and join you? OH had 300 acres 600 sheep and 25 cattle -he was living in a house in a village 4 miles from his land and buildings -and tried for 4 years to get planning permission to convert an old barn on the property into a house - with no luck. We sold up and moved to Canada -the people who bought part of the land with the barn on applied to turn the barn into a holiday cottage -they got permission, let it out for the first couple of years and now live there for 10 months of the year - the planning laws are stupid!

[emmie]

this already happens in the capital, cheek by jowl as it is.

[emmie]

AOG, the residents that were on Dale Farm or should one say squatting on parts of the land they weren't entitled to have more or less moved back, onto land nearby that has been designated for them, ha ha.

[DangerUXD]

next stop ECHR!

[jake-the-peg]

Well I already gave you a link showing that was the case.

Where was it? There are tighter restrictions in national park areas of course.

I find that a strange experience unless there was already a property on the farm - if a farm is split for example and permission sought for another house.

Sounds as if there was something unusual about the circmstances

[jake-the-peg]

Really DangerUXD?

I think the right to "build a castle where you fancy" must have passed me by somewhere :c)

[magsmay]

jake - I can give you lots of examples of the same scenario -we were not in any National Park or area of outstanding beauty. There are many examples of young farmers living up to 20 miles away from their own farms because they cannot afford to buy a property in the village as incomers have driven up prices. The argument that parents can move out and let the younger farmers live in the farmhouse is stupid as most 25 -35 year old farmers have parents in their 60's still farming, so who would have the right to live on the farm -both of them - but they are not allowed to build or even in some cases convert old decrepit buildings into family homes. i would suggest the link you put uip is an exception to the rule . Anyway I've deviated off the OP thread so will now jump off my soapbox and go feed some sheep ;-)

[EDDIE51]

The 'right to light 'should remain as it is. But the farmer was way out of order , he knew perfectly well that the 'castle ' would never get planning permission so he deliberately hid it to try to circumvent planning permission.

[emmie]

spare a thought for residents who live near the Shard, the glass edifice in the capital, they have had to endure years of misery while this building was going up, and the massive redevelopment of the area surrounding, it's a huge site. Alongside St Thomas's hospital who are having a makeover because the building is a little grubby, this is the capital after all. This was so it fits in with the look of the new building The Shard, this little snippet came from one of the doctors i know who works there.
So bugger the poor residents, and pretty much anyone who complains..

[FredPuli43]

magsmay,there is one plus. The old farmer's estate pays no inheritance tax on the farmhouse when he dies, so the son gets it free of tax, just as he does the rest of the farm.It gets 100 per cent relief. Don't quite get why your barn conversion wasn't allowed as a farmhouse. The planners have an inbuilt objection to barn conversions on green belt. They may have thought that, since you were farming from a house 4 miles away, there was no need for you to have house as an exception to their rule; there was no farmhouse needed on site to run the business from. Holiday cottage ? That may get by under local rules to encourage tourism, as holiday lets. Two month's let probably keeps the owners onside. As usual, you need a good team of agents, who have close contact with planners,or of course, the name of a local builder whose previous work is contrary to policy (It's amazing how he'll achieve permission impossible for you, through some mysterious means)

[sandyRoe]

Do brown paper envelopes still change hands?

[boxtops]

This story about the hayrick castle was in the press a while back - he knew he was doing wrong, he deliberately hid the construction. I've no sympathy with him.

The light thing is a different matter. We got a block of flats being built behind us from three storeys to two, on the basis of light and being overlooked. I wouldn't want that right rescinded.

[emmie]

mags, have been watching some of the programmes on young farmers, yes there is one, and very interesting it is too. Some of the youngsters are not just learning the ropes but taking over the farms when the dad and mum retire, hard graft and not a lot of good times, or living on the land, as you pointed out.

[FredPuli43]

No brown paper envelopes now, Sandy:

"You cannot hope to bribe or twist/ Thank God, the British journalist/ But seeing what the man will do/ Unbribed, there's no occasion to!"

is the principle. Planners do extraordinary things, in perfect probity,without any sniff of reward or 'bribe'. The trick is to understand the minds of these people, and then play to that understanding.

[DangerUXD]

Jake: well any other time someone fails to get their own way it seems to become a HR issue, just predicting the next move.

[pdq1]

This ancient law goes back to 1832, Thomas Edison was even alive then