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Eastleigh Result - The Beginning Of The End For Cameron?
Daily Torygraph
// Tories pushed into third place behind the Lib Dems and Ukip, sparking major questions over Cameron's leadership amid growing doubts he can win the next general election. //
Will the men in grey suits act before or after they lose the election?
// Tories pushed into third place behind the Lib Dems and Ukip, sparking major questions over Cameron's leadership amid growing doubts he can win the next general election. //
Will the men in grey suits act before or after they lose the election?
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Farage is on form at the moment:
UKIP's Nigel Farage said the surge in support for his party was not a "freak result", telling the BBC: "If the Conservatives hadn't split our vote we would have won."
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UKIP's Nigel Farage said the surge in support for his party was not a "freak result", telling the BBC: "If the Conservatives hadn't split our vote we would have won."
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Do let’s be honest. Eastleigh has had a Lib Dem MP for almost 20 years, so the result is hardly surprising. However, it wasn’t exactly a breeze, so not a lot to crow about. The Lib Dems lost more than the Tories – and both lost out to UKIP.
Mike Thornton (Liberal Democrat) 13,342 (32.06%, -14.48%)
Diane James (UKIP) 11,571 (27.80%, +24.20%)
Maria Hutchings (Conservative) 10,559 (25.37%, -13.96%)
I don’t see why Cameron should be replaced – but I do wish he could get rid of the millstone that is Nick Clegg et al.
Bayboy, I vote Conservative.
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Do let’s be honest. Eastleigh has had a Lib Dem MP for almost 20 years, so the result is hardly surprising. However, it wasn’t exactly a breeze, so not a lot to crow about. The Lib Dems lost more than the Tories – and both lost out to UKIP.
Mike Thornton (Liberal Democrat) 13,342 (32.06%, -14.48%)
Diane James (UKIP) 11,571 (27.80%, +24.20%)
Maria Hutchings (Conservative) 10,559 (25.37%, -13.96%)
I don’t see why Cameron should be replaced – but I do wish he could get rid of the millstone that is Nick Clegg et al.
Bayboy, I vote Conservative.
That's funny Ed!
Actually it was an excellent day for Labour - it confirms that UKIP are still splitting the Tory vote putting them on course for the next election.
Why on earth did I ever think that PR might have been a good thing?
Would have been a very different political landscape right now if that'd gone through!
Actually it was an excellent day for Labour - it confirms that UKIP are still splitting the Tory vote putting them on course for the next election.
Why on earth did I ever think that PR might have been a good thing?
Would have been a very different political landscape right now if that'd gone through!
@naomi
Exactly get rid of Clegg and hes got a chance, albeit not that big of getting things some way to being sorted out.
no matter which party is in power they will always *** us over for their own ends and until things change also to the whims of the eusssr.
If you like most consider the financial crisis to be the single biggest problem we have then if you think labours only answer, now and always, to any problem is to spend your way out and increase the size of the public sector to mop up the unemployed then you are seriously mistaken.
Nigel Farage has said on numerous occasions that he doesnt seriously expect UKIP to govern but at least hes willing to stand up to our overlords in brussells.
clegg and his "party"....well , you might as well treat them like the useless wannabees that they are, more u-turns than a dual carriageway.
I'd rather stick with Dave & George minus Nick for now, at least I know that theres a small chance of them rectifying some things.
I d/loaded to watch last nights Question time (first mistake of the day), all that useless Labour shadow speaker could drawl on about was spending, typical, she is such an awful monotone bore she made it sound even worse, hardly an ad for spending your way out of trouble.
Still at least Im happy knowing that if I run up debts I need to spend spend spend to rectify things
bye-elections ?!.....Pffffft
Exactly get rid of Clegg and hes got a chance, albeit not that big of getting things some way to being sorted out.
no matter which party is in power they will always *** us over for their own ends and until things change also to the whims of the eusssr.
If you like most consider the financial crisis to be the single biggest problem we have then if you think labours only answer, now and always, to any problem is to spend your way out and increase the size of the public sector to mop up the unemployed then you are seriously mistaken.
Nigel Farage has said on numerous occasions that he doesnt seriously expect UKIP to govern but at least hes willing to stand up to our overlords in brussells.
clegg and his "party"....well , you might as well treat them like the useless wannabees that they are, more u-turns than a dual carriageway.
I'd rather stick with Dave & George minus Nick for now, at least I know that theres a small chance of them rectifying some things.
I d/loaded to watch last nights Question time (first mistake of the day), all that useless Labour shadow speaker could drawl on about was spending, typical, she is such an awful monotone bore she made it sound even worse, hardly an ad for spending your way out of trouble.
Still at least Im happy knowing that if I run up debts I need to spend spend spend to rectify things
bye-elections ?!.....Pffffft
Labour messed it up the last time riptide?
Really?
And here was I thinking that Labour presided over a record period of economic growth before irresponsible bank lending (hardly bastions of left wing thought)
held the country to randsom.
There hasn't been a Tory PM since McMillan who hasn't led the country into a recession
Really?
And here was I thinking that Labour presided over a record period of economic growth before irresponsible bank lending (hardly bastions of left wing thought)
held the country to randsom.
There hasn't been a Tory PM since McMillan who hasn't led the country into a recession
To be fair modeller you have to realise that any leader of a party is going to be a strong leader - you don't get to lead a major political party by being weak.
Whether or not you get to be a strong leader of the country doesn't depend on personal characteristics but on the size of your majority.
Major had a wafer thin majority, Cameron doesn't even have a majority
Blair and Thatcher had whopping great majorities and so could do what they wanted to.
Whether or not you get to be a strong leader of the country doesn't depend on personal characteristics but on the size of your majority.
Major had a wafer thin majority, Cameron doesn't even have a majority
Blair and Thatcher had whopping great majorities and so could do what they wanted to.
Some think getting rid of Clegg and the LibDems is what is needed.
That is absolute NOT what is needed by the Conservatives at this time. The ending of the Coalition would mean the Conservatives would be teying to run the country on their own without an effective majority. They couldn't do that a an early election would need to be called.
With UKiP splitting the Conservative vote, the Tories would lose.
I would be quite happy if that was sooner rather than later, but the party managers need the two years to try and repair things.
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LibDems: Increased their lead over second place from the General Election.
Conservatives: The kind of seat they need to win (to form the next Government) and they only managed third is a bad result. The carrot of a referendum on Europe did not work.
UKiP: They took votes from all the main parties, but mostly from the Conservatives. Obviously a good result for them.
Labour: Not a seat they were ever going to win and fourth was expected. Disappointing for them that they didn't get significant votes from disaffected LibDem voters.
That is absolute NOT what is needed by the Conservatives at this time. The ending of the Coalition would mean the Conservatives would be teying to run the country on their own without an effective majority. They couldn't do that a an early election would need to be called.
With UKiP splitting the Conservative vote, the Tories would lose.
I would be quite happy if that was sooner rather than later, but the party managers need the two years to try and repair things.
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LibDems: Increased their lead over second place from the General Election.
Conservatives: The kind of seat they need to win (to form the next Government) and they only managed third is a bad result. The carrot of a referendum on Europe did not work.
UKiP: They took votes from all the main parties, but mostly from the Conservatives. Obviously a good result for them.
Labour: Not a seat they were ever going to win and fourth was expected. Disappointing for them that they didn't get significant votes from disaffected LibDem voters.
>>>And here was I thinking that Labour presided over a record period of economic growth
Left to them by the previous Tory government, and when the "world" was going though a period of economic growth (it is easy to manage the economy when things are going well).
But Brown left us with huge problems (look how much the NHS are paying for his PFI initives for building NHS hospitals for example).
Labour give money away (which is easy to do), the Tories have to claw it back (which is harder to do and more unpopular).
Left to them by the previous Tory government, and when the "world" was going though a period of economic growth (it is easy to manage the economy when things are going well).
But Brown left us with huge problems (look how much the NHS are paying for his PFI initives for building NHS hospitals for example).
Labour give money away (which is easy to do), the Tories have to claw it back (which is harder to do and more unpopular).
oh yeah JTP, whilst youre at it just refresh my memory, what price did the fiscal genius Dour Brown pawn our gold reserves, and the market condition/price of Gold at that time ?
was that the same Dour Brown that opposed/vetoed an awful lot of regulation that would have reined in the banks/investment banks etc and gone some way to preventing the crash
sheer genius, the man was a visionary...he was having visions !
was that the same Dour Brown that opposed/vetoed an awful lot of regulation that would have reined in the banks/investment banks etc and gone some way to preventing the crash
sheer genius, the man was a visionary...he was having visions !
Quote of the day so far from Michael "History Man" Gove:
"I don't believe in pacts with other parties" (!)
If the Tories ditch Cameron before the next election they really would be doomed. Because it would mean there'd been a coup by the right of the party.
The reasons the Tories lost aren't going to go away or be solved by a knee-jerk reaction. Pretty much like when any governing party does badly in a mid-term by-election.
It has to be said also that they weren't helped by having an absolutely appalling candidate who they no doubt stuck with in the hope she'd out-UKIP UKIP.
On swings: there was a 19 percent swing from the Lib Dems (a governing party, in case anyone's forgotten) to UKIP which is pretty hefty.
"I don't believe in pacts with other parties" (!)
If the Tories ditch Cameron before the next election they really would be doomed. Because it would mean there'd been a coup by the right of the party.
The reasons the Tories lost aren't going to go away or be solved by a knee-jerk reaction. Pretty much like when any governing party does badly in a mid-term by-election.
It has to be said also that they weren't helped by having an absolutely appalling candidate who they no doubt stuck with in the hope she'd out-UKIP UKIP.
On swings: there was a 19 percent swing from the Lib Dems (a governing party, in case anyone's forgotten) to UKIP which is pretty hefty.
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