'islam Or Atheism: Which Makes More Sense?'.

[mushroom25]

the above is the title of a public debate that took place at University College Hospital on 9th March. The event has sparked some controversy which has been reported in the Daily Mail in its inimitable confrontational fashion.

UCL's stance is recorded here:-
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0313/11032013-meeting

whilst the opposing view is represented by a group called "student rights"
http://www.studentrights.org.uk/article/2060/iera_s_yusuf_chambers_claims_ucl_ban_is_islamophobic

question - who holds the moral high ground on this?

no link to the DM version, if you want it, it's easily found on their home page (in big blue friendly letters).

[emmie]

no there wouldn't be...

[youngmafbog]

Is it lawful to forcefully segregate sexes in this country these days?

The man is a religious zealot, he wil always see things in a twisted fashion. If he is that much for fanatical Islam why doesn't he nob off to Saudi or Pakistan. There is no place for a person like him in this country and we need to make a stand now against him and his ilk

[naomi24]

Jim360 summed this up beautifully. //It seems odd to get complain that someone is discriminating against you because you are discriminating against other people... //

How can any sensible human being in all honesty defend this backward, misogynistic religion?

[jim360]

Thanks for that endorsement Naomi!

[naomi24]

Jim, I like logic. ;o)

[Kromovaracun]

"some are bending over backwards to accommodate those who want to stamp their ideologies on others."

Are they though?

UCL made it very clear to IERA that gender segregation was not to be enforced and that there would be consequences if it was. After it turned out that they ignored this, UCL has barred them from running events on campus. I can't see how that's 'bending over backwards' at all - it seems perfectly appropriate an attitude to me.

[jim360]

And I like to be logical. I hope I succeed more often than not...

[bazwillrun]

now banned

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar/15/ucl-bans-islamic-group-over-segregation

no doubt as usual theyll be claiming its their right to do blah blah blah etc

If they dont like it then they are more than free to go somewhere else where thier religion is more acceptable ....how about a muslim country..just an idea

[whiskeryron]

S-egregation
O-f sexes
D-emanded by Islamists
O-bviously NOT in this country
F-or us all
F-or goodness sake go elsewhere

[ludwig]

I resent the presence of women on this thread. Can they not start a separate one?

[New Judge]

Sorry mrs_o. Having taken part in your earlier question I should have been more careful in my reference to it. And of course I should have known better as there is absolutely no way on God's (or Allah's) earth that Muslims would be allowed to set foot in a Christian establishment.

Yes, quite right ludwig. I think there should be a separate "women's AB". They should not be allowed to get involved in the Motoring Section or News. In fact they should be limited to "Home & Garden" (well, just "Home", in fact and perhaps "Family" provided they are not too outspoken). :)

[jake-the-peg]

NJ

//as there is absolutely no way on God's (or Allah's) earth that Muslims would be allowed to set foot in a Christian establishment.//

what a crock of you know what!

http://bradfordnewmuslims.wordpress.com/advice-page/attending-a-non-muslim%E2%80%99s-church-wedding/

[mrs_overall]

jake, the article says Muslims are permitted to enter churches.
This doesn't neccessarily mean that any of them will do.

Muslims are also permitted to be organ donors. The last statistics I looked at (2009 I think) there were NO Muslim organ donors.

Just because they are permitted is totally different to them actually doing it

[mrs_overall]

BTW jake, why is it when someone has an opinion that differs to yours, you are downright rude? Is there any need?

[jim360]

Is that "no muslim organ donors" stat really right? It can't be right, either as a number or if the number is correct then as an attitude. How sad.

[mrs_overall]

jim, yes it is correct. The low number of people of ethnic origin who sign up as organ donors is appalling. Without wishing to go off topic, Judaism also permits organ donation but very few Jews will sign up.
I have discussed this with several Muslims who have all been aware organ donation is permitted but say they will not sign up due to "cultural reasons".
They are all willing to accept donor organs though.

[naomi24]

Jake, I don’t think your article does your case any good at all, but simply illustrates Islam’s bigotry. Yes, Muslims may enter churches – but under strict provisos.

Jim, it appears Muslims are reluctant to donate organs – but they have no objection to receiving them.

Ludwig & NJ, Cheeky! Sperlatt!!! :o)))

[LazyGun]

Veering wildly of the subject of the OP, but further to the conversation about organ donation and religion, the current donor organ registry does show a marked absence of people from both muslim and jewish faith, but when asked, people from both religions seem more than happy to receive an organ. A faint whiff of hypocrisy there, I think...

Given the chronic shortage of donor organs, NHSBT have recently conducted a strategic review of their organ donation policy, and are giving some serious thought to changing the current system of "opt-out by default" - in other words, you have to sign up for a donor registration card to an "opt-in by default" system, where they have presumed consent for organ donation unless you sign a declaration otherwise.

The largest number of people voting against this measure was from the muslim and jewish community. Interestingly though, the UK Muslim Law Council ruled in 1996 that it was perfectly consistent with Islamic doctrine to be an organ ( or blood) donor - based around the following principle from the Koran "'Whosoever saves the life of one person it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind' (chapter 5:32)"

So - no excuses, basically. If you are willing to receive an organ, you really should be prepared to donate one in the event of your death.....

[ludwig]

// If you are willing to receive an organ, you really should be prepared to donate one in the event of your death //

This is true of all of us. I don't carry a donor card - for no other reason than I haven't given it much thought - but I will in future.

[LazyGun]

@ludwig - Absolutely right, and congratulations on pledging to carry a donor card in the future. It was that argument that persuaded me, back in the day- well that and the fact that I worked at NHSBT for some while :)