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Should These Teachers Be Allowed To Teach Our Children.
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Much has been said about the brainwashing of our children by 'nasty left' teachers, here two prime examples have been exposed.
One a member of The Socialist Workers Party is described as a special needs teacher, it would seem he is in need of some sort of 'special teaching', in the correct way to conduct himself.
The other well what can we say about her when she comes out with disgusting terms as this ‘Who wants to p*** on her grave?’
Both should be given their 'marching orders' but I doubt they will.
Much has been said about the brainwashing of our children by 'nasty left' teachers, here two prime examples have been exposed.
One a member of The Socialist Workers Party is described as a special needs teacher, it would seem he is in need of some sort of 'special teaching', in the correct way to conduct himself.
The other well what can we say about her when she comes out with disgusting terms as this ‘Who wants to p*** on her grave?’
Both should be given their 'marching orders' but I doubt they will.
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It was not just one section though was it, Em? The strategy was to break the miners unions, because they were the backbone of the whole union movement.
And although I would agree with you that some of the Union leaders of the day had become corrupted by power, I think the unions were and are very right to be involved in decisions that will effect working hours, health and safety, living conditions, wages and pensions etc. even if it might mean opposing a government....
And although I would agree with you that some of the Union leaders of the day had become corrupted by power, I think the unions were and are very right to be involved in decisions that will effect working hours, health and safety, living conditions, wages and pensions etc. even if it might mean opposing a government....
this is a very interesting read, and for no reason, though i have had a good look, can i find average wages for men or women in the mid 70's, but i know one thing, mine wasn't anywhere near the figures quoted. The miners got their rises, did they not then spell the end or almost, of the coal mining industry. Large wage bills often sees off even the most viable business.
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a good piece, and the bit about MT, Scargill and David Bowie might make you blink a bit
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There were many reasons why the coal mining industry declined in this country. It was in decline back in the 1960s, and there was number of reasons for that decline. In part it was due to declining demand - railways moving from steam to electric engines, in part due to newer power sources, such as Nuclear energy. But a very large reason was that UK mined coal was becoming uneconomic - and not just because of wage demands. Countries like Germany and France were offering massive govermnent subsidies for coal production, and there was a lot of cheap coal becoming available through lower cost strip and open cast mining from places like the US. So,not just wages - and even were it down to wages, why should workers here be expected to sacrifice their wages to compete with third world country wage requirements?
The reason the closures were felt so keenly in Thatchers time was because some communities were solely dependent upon the mines for employment, and no plans were put in place to transition them across.
The reason the closures were felt so keenly in Thatchers time was because some communities were solely dependent upon the mines for employment, and no plans were put in place to transition them across.
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/being in possession of the true facts of modern history is to be old enough to have been there at that time./
aog
that presupposes that being around when something is happening gives you possession of 'the true facts' which are in themselves a delusion
if what you say were true then everybody around when Mrs T was in power would have those 'true facts' and therefore agree with each other what they are
Clearly that is not so
The whole premise is nonsense
is everybody
aog
that presupposes that being around when something is happening gives you possession of 'the true facts' which are in themselves a delusion
if what you say were true then everybody around when Mrs T was in power would have those 'true facts' and therefore agree with each other what they are
Clearly that is not so
The whole premise is nonsense
is everybody
/Haven't you seen any film footage of the protests at that time? /
aog
Do you actually know any police officers who were drafted into the mining areas in 1984?
I do - they are old school friends from Merseyside
They speak openly about how they were briefed for aggressive assault on any demonstrators they found
They reminisce about the battles and the serious beatings they gave people some of whom were committing no offence, just standing around in the wrong place at the wrong time
Indeed, they are the anecdotes that seem to provide most mirth
What is your special insight into the incidents?
aog
Do you actually know any police officers who were drafted into the mining areas in 1984?
I do - they are old school friends from Merseyside
They speak openly about how they were briefed for aggressive assault on any demonstrators they found
They reminisce about the battles and the serious beatings they gave people some of whom were committing no offence, just standing around in the wrong place at the wrong time
Indeed, they are the anecdotes that seem to provide most mirth
What is your special insight into the incidents?
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“So someone who holds a political opinion diametrically opposed to yours has been "poisoned, and has a weak mind"?”
Cannot be bothered to read all the intervening posts, LG. But my comment was nothing to do with political opinion. Ms Blythe’s quote was this: “ My hatred of [Mrs Thatcher] stems from being told 'I might never find work when leaving school in 1984'”.
She did not say who told her that. She did not add that in the intervening 29 years that it had been found to be patently untrue. She did not explain why, even if it was, it should have led to personal hatred. She did not explain why her personal hatred had been so enduring even though it was founded on a fallacy that she had accepted when a child.
In short, nothing to do with politics (either Ms Blythe’s or Mrs Thatcher’s) but everything to do with forming an opinion about somebody with on no basis of fact and upon a statement which was not true then and is not true now. Perhaps the word “poisoned” is a bit pejorative so perhaps “easily misled” would be more appropriate. Either way, not the sort of person I would like to see teaching children.
Cannot be bothered to read all the intervening posts, LG. But my comment was nothing to do with political opinion. Ms Blythe’s quote was this: “ My hatred of [Mrs Thatcher] stems from being told 'I might never find work when leaving school in 1984'”.
She did not say who told her that. She did not add that in the intervening 29 years that it had been found to be patently untrue. She did not explain why, even if it was, it should have led to personal hatred. She did not explain why her personal hatred had been so enduring even though it was founded on a fallacy that she had accepted when a child.
In short, nothing to do with politics (either Ms Blythe’s or Mrs Thatcher’s) but everything to do with forming an opinion about somebody with on no basis of fact and upon a statement which was not true then and is not true now. Perhaps the word “poisoned” is a bit pejorative so perhaps “easily misled” would be more appropriate. Either way, not the sort of person I would like to see teaching children.
Coal has been in decline elsewhere. in 1994, France decided to close all mines; by which time French coal cost 130 euro a tonne and Australian coal cost 40 euro a tonne imported; and the very last lump of French coal was mined in 2004.
Germany will stop all subsidies to its coal mining in 2018, with the result that all pits will have closed by then. From 1960 to 1980 the number of pits went from 146 to 39 and by 2000 there were only 12 and the workforce in mining went from 610,000 in 1977 to under 50,000 in 2012.
No great unrest occurred in either country.
What any of this has got to do with the OP, I am unable to say, though it does relate somewhat to other posts.
Germany will stop all subsidies to its coal mining in 2018, with the result that all pits will have closed by then. From 1960 to 1980 the number of pits went from 146 to 39 and by 2000 there were only 12 and the workforce in mining went from 610,000 in 1977 to under 50,000 in 2012.
No great unrest occurred in either country.
What any of this has got to do with the OP, I am unable to say, though it does relate somewhat to other posts.
@NJ You posted this
"She did not say who told her that. She did not add that in the intervening 29 years that it had been found to be patently untrue. She did not explain why, even if it was, it should have led to personal hatred. She did not explain why her personal hatred had been so enduring even though it was founded on a fallacy that she had accepted when a child."
No, you mean that the paper did not expand on her reasons - For all you know, she may well have offered an essay to support her reasons and the paper declined to print it.
And this comes back to the fact that we all make judgements formed out of bias, just like you are doing about this teacher.
"She did not say who told her that. She did not add that in the intervening 29 years that it had been found to be patently untrue. She did not explain why, even if it was, it should have led to personal hatred. She did not explain why her personal hatred had been so enduring even though it was founded on a fallacy that she had accepted when a child."
No, you mean that the paper did not expand on her reasons - For all you know, she may well have offered an essay to support her reasons and the paper declined to print it.
And this comes back to the fact that we all make judgements formed out of bias, just like you are doing about this teacher.
way back when, our coalman, sounds like the lead to a joke, its not, told me that the coal he was buying in was from Poland, because home harvested coal was far too expensive. So i do know about this, i just wanted some to admit that one of the reasons that these industries were going was that our labour force was too expensive, putting up the costs of goods, be it coal or other, thus bring in cheaper products. It is no different now. After all where do you buy you goods from, where are they manufactured, and if china, india, then it's because to make them here would be doubly as expensive, and people are not going to pay that, no matter how loyal you want to be to your home country.
@Em but you maintain that home produced coal had become too expensive purely because of your view that their wage demands were unsupportable.
Thats just not true, so why should anyone "admit" to it? The fact of global availability of coal from much cheaper methods of mining than deep mining was the major reason that UK produced coal became uneconomic..
Thats just not true, so why should anyone "admit" to it? The fact of global availability of coal from much cheaper methods of mining than deep mining was the major reason that UK produced coal became uneconomic..
not just wage demands, i know they had become uneconomical, however like all the anger and hate levelled at Mrs T, most seem to be that she killed this country, destroying manufacturing, coal and steel industries. I was watching her in an interview with Robin Day and she was talking about British Leyland, and how much money had been pumped into the company, but that in the longer term it just wasn't sustainable, tax payers money and all that.
Yes, em, and it takes one heck of a lot of labour costs to explain 40 euro a tonne imported from Australia against 130 a tonne mined in France [see my post above]. Whatever were France's labour costs ? And how low were Australian wages?
As it was with Britain; we might truly have had "the cheapest deep-mined coal in the world" as Arthur Scargill use to say, but it could never compete in price with opencast mined coal or any coal not "deep- mined".
As it was with Britain; we might truly have had "the cheapest deep-mined coal in the world" as Arthur Scargill use to say, but it could never compete in price with opencast mined coal or any coal not "deep- mined".
not so much a socialist, more money down the drain.
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