Yesterdays Sun Headlines

[ARSENAL]

Did anybody see the headline in the Sun yesterday? About the islamic bloke who is coming over here to preach hatred, but is somehow being sponsered by the Police to do so.  With this, and people like the 'hook' fella and his cronies preaching hatred for the west in our streets, can anybody out there tell me why we put up with it?  What is the best action to be taken against these people?

[nedflanders]

It is a hard one to deal with! As we believe in freedom of speach in our country but how can we let these people have freedom of speach if they use it to incite illegal acts against our citizens.  This is going to be the biggest task for the police, MI5 and the 99.99% of (REAL) muslims of this country to find the wannabe suicide bombers of the future. Jail them if found guilty of treason and if they are not British born send them back to their country of birth.

[Zen]

Believe everything you read in the Sun ?

[ARSENAL]

Very constructive Zen.  Thanks for that. 

[jake-the-peg]

I think Zen's got a good point, none of the papers are exactly impartial.

The the Sun has a perticular record of just staying inside of the inciting racial hatred laws themselves

[admarlow]

...point taken, but who could ever deny that the hatred that comes out of Finsbury Park Mosque and the like are makeing the whole situation 1000x worse? If we can stop organisations like the bnp etc by blocking bank accounts, not letting them set up charaties and organising demonstrations at their rallys why is it not the same for ''religious'' groups? How many anti-extremist marches have there been at the Finsbury Park mosque....none. Doesn't political correctness gone mad allow this to happen?

[jake-the-peg]

Well I don't think the BNP is actually a proscribed organisation.

I thought the banking issue was where they were asked to take their business elsewhere - much as Christian Voice was by the Co Op bank recently.

Now I'm not a lawyer but I think wild ranting about the evils of Britain is not an offence nor is saying how wonderful those killing and maiming are. But urging people to go out and blow things up would be conspiracy.

It all depends on exactly what is being preached and I'm not a regular at that mosque and I doubt any of the Sun's hacks are either.

I think when you read stuff in the papers these days it's vitally important to ask yourself "How do they know this?" Are the sources named? are the quotes attributed to real people or "people close to so and so"

The newspapres just love to wind everybody up and see them go - don't let them do it to you

[admarlow]

so you dont think that ther sermons (which are held on the street for ALL to hear) have anything to do with people deciding to blow themselves and more importantly others up?

[admarlow]

so you dont think that the sermons (which are held on the street for ALL to hear) have anything to do with people deciding to blow themselves and more importantly others up?

[sean ryan]

This guy in the Sun doesnt preach hatred, thats just a typical Sun scaremonger headline. What he has actually said is that we should understand and look at the causes of terrorism. I dont actually agree with him and it is a hard question to answer but at the same time we cant stop someone from speaking because we dont like the answer. If this guy really is a security threat then surley the security agencies would be aware and stop him from entering the country.  As for "Hook" he is just mad and very few people listen to him, the press have more interest in him as a good story than the commity at large. Anyone who does listen to him would listen to a rabid goat if it preached what they wanted to hear!  I've seen the police around the mosque on the way back from Highbury ( THOF)  a few times but never any real trouble.

[goldenboy]

admarlow, i have worked 3 minutes from finsbury park mosque for the last five years and have never seen islamic fundamentalism being preached in the street. i have seen one report on the news of abu hamza doing it when he was out of belmarsh so i cant deny that its happened in the past. however i feel it to be unfair on the population of the area to imply that this goes on. just because the sun believes its ok to have ill informed rants on a daily basis doesnt always mean that its true.