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Gay Marriage …. Again
With the gay marriage debate taking place tonight in parliament, despite the numerous threads on the subject, I’ve yet to see one valid reason for opposition. Does anyone have one? Please, if you see no problem in it, don’t answer. I just want a valid reason for opposing it – and simply not liking the idea does not qualify as a valid reason.
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new judge; //the function of Parliament is to facilitate the provision of things that the electorate does like and legislate against things that they don’t.//
Not really, in that case we would soon have a house run by it's nursery. Surely the function of parliament is to do what is 'right' for the country. The electorate is not cognisant of what underlies most major issues whereas parliamentarians are, (or should be.)
They have already done that by the introduction of civil partnership, homosexual marriage is definitely, imho, wrong for the country as a whole.
Not really, in that case we would soon have a house run by it's nursery. Surely the function of parliament is to do what is 'right' for the country. The electorate is not cognisant of what underlies most major issues whereas parliamentarians are, (or should be.)
They have already done that by the introduction of civil partnership, homosexual marriage is definitely, imho, wrong for the country as a whole.
//the new law which will provide for religious organisations to opt out of performing same sex marriages is very likely to be challenged (especially if the organisation concerned is the established Church of England) and a challenge, in my view, is very likely to succeed. //
as I read the BBC's interpretation of the bill, the CofE, as established church, currently has to conduct marriage for whosoever requests it. Thus the bill will expicitly ban the CofE (and the Church of Wales, unless the Lord Chancellor decrees otherwise) from conducting same-sex marriages, since doing so would contravene canon law (which itself has legal status). Thus legally the CofE does not have the opt out option available to it.
If that's the case, would such an arrangement be as susceptible to ECHR challenge as a religious order who chooses to opt out?
as I read the BBC's interpretation of the bill, the CofE, as established church, currently has to conduct marriage for whosoever requests it. Thus the bill will expicitly ban the CofE (and the Church of Wales, unless the Lord Chancellor decrees otherwise) from conducting same-sex marriages, since doing so would contravene canon law (which itself has legal status). Thus legally the CofE does not have the opt out option available to it.
If that's the case, would such an arrangement be as susceptible to ECHR challenge as a religious order who chooses to opt out?
woofgang //Index and modeller, are you saying that gay people don't have sex now and that gay couples don't raise children now???? //
Thank you ! You have made my point .!
Many of those children are currently having problems. As one teenager said to me " I can't take my friends home and they think I must be queer too, I'll be glad when I can leave home. " He did a few months later.
I knew a teenage girl who told every one she had lost her parents and was being brought up by her 'uncles '. She would have been devastated had it been known her uncles were 'married'.
I should add I met the 'parents' in both those cases and they were perfectly nice people doing their best for the children.
Thank you ! You have made my point .!
Many of those children are currently having problems. As one teenager said to me " I can't take my friends home and they think I must be queer too, I'll be glad when I can leave home. " He did a few months later.
I knew a teenage girl who told every one she had lost her parents and was being brought up by her 'uncles '. She would have been devastated had it been known her uncles were 'married'.
I should add I met the 'parents' in both those cases and they were perfectly nice people doing their best for the children.
///Marriage is not the narrow world of two people it involves the whole of society which ,strange as it seems to some, includes the Children.///
Modeller I'd be really interested to know how my being married has affected your life? Or that of anybody else for that matter? Excepting my husband of course.
Modeller I'd be really interested to know how my being married has affected your life? Or that of anybody else for that matter? Excepting my husband of course.
I don't believe that allowing same-sex weddings is the slippery slope to condoning or legalising incest!
There may be very good biological reasons for preventing close-kin from having children together and this has developed into the present laws on Incest [let alone matters of good taste] but allowing gay couples to marry isn't about to shepherd in an era of complete moral abandonment!
There may be very good biological reasons for preventing close-kin from having children together and this has developed into the present laws on Incest [let alone matters of good taste] but allowing gay couples to marry isn't about to shepherd in an era of complete moral abandonment!
