Gay Marriage …. Again

[naomi24]

With the gay marriage debate taking place tonight in parliament, despite the numerous threads on the subject, I’ve yet to see one valid reason for opposition. Does anyone have one? Please, if you see no problem in it, don’t answer. I just want a valid reason for opposing it – and simply not liking the idea does not qualify as a valid reason.

[rockyracoon]

So would I missnemeis ;)

[coccinelle]

^Dave; this is not about a brother and sister marrying it's about two brothers or two sisters marrying.

[jackthehat]

They are still closely related and therefore it would not be allowed........

[modeller]

jack // you extrapolate that huge swathes // Did I say that ?

// And I ask, again, what has that to do with the Gay-marriage issue?//

Read my posts ! There are problems for children , would you like a whole list of them concerning children of a gay parent, especially as they get older. The title gay marriage just makes it another oddity in a childs life.

I could tell you of chidren who coped quite well with odd home life but this thread is dealing with gay marriage making it odder.

Another fact that is never talked about, there are many adults who were illigitimate and go through life avoiding the fact. I don't know what the children's status will be of same sex parents but socially and legally it will be another burden. For instance whose surname do they take ?
A minor point maybe but it has implications.

[jackthehat]

Nonsense!
If the children have gay parents it won't matter a jot whether those parents are married or not!
And it won't matter which surname the child takes, either.

And I stand to be corrected, but, I imagine there will be more gay couples unencumbered by children than there are with....

[coccinelle]

But under what reason? Marriage between members of a family has become against the law due to biological reasons, so what can you say to two brothers who want to marry as there is no biological reason why they can't? By the way this might be for pension reasons, inheritance reasons etc and they may not 'sleep together'
I must add this is hypothetical. We might find this very strange nowadays but same sex marriage seemed very strange only 50 years ago...

[Davethedog]

Sorry, thats the trouble with work it gets in the way.

There are reasons why incest are illegal, and siblings marrying would be another kettle of fish, but i would suggest that somewhere, its happening.

I have no idea of the incidence of incest but I do know.

That straight people co-habit, That gay people co-habit
That straight people have sex, That gay people have sex
That straight people love each other, that gay people love each other.
That straight people can get married, that gay people can't get married.

That isn't fair, it isn't democratic.

[missnemesis]

coccinelle If you read the rest of this thread I think you'll see that some people still think it's strange lol

[woofgang]

coccinelle, that's why i think that civil partnership should be extended to cover non sexual relationships so that siblings, friends and parent child partnerships can have the same financial protection.

[coccinelle]

missnemesis: I do realise that, but a law is about to be passed so it's not so strange or shocking nowadays as it was 50 years ago.
woofgang; you're right but wouldn't it be just easier to name someone rather than having to go through a ceremony?

[jackthehat]

That's entirely the issue with CPs.

There is *no* established ceremony; it is essentially some form signing and witnessing. To try to dress it up a little, the couple usually read vows to each other, etc.
But in real terms it is a cold, sterile formality.

[coccinelle]

So how is a marriage different in a registery office to a CP? A registery office marriage ceremony isn't very exciting (and quite honestly some church wedding ceremonies can be quite 'stiff' too).

[coccinelle]

Sorry, I forget that in the UK people can now be married at venues and not only in registery offices or religious buildings. So I do understand jth where a wedding ceremony could be nicer.
joeluke; I wondered where that had gone...

[Khandro]

Pedantic maybe, but there's no such place as a 'registry office' it's a register office.

[naomi24]

Modeller,// naomi I haven't answered because you have set out conditions as to what you consider is an acceptable reason. You then modified your approach.//

I haven't set out any conditions at all, except to say that simply not liking the idea does not qualify as a valid reason.

I made it clear that I didn’t want this to turn into another big discussion on the subject, but it has, so when people started debating what’s valid and what’s not, I dropped ‘valid’, leaving us with the simple question:

“Why, other than you don’t like the idea, do you oppose gay marriage?”

[coccinelle]

Khandro: look in the Oxford dictionary it can be either or....

[Davethedog]

Joeluke there are a mirade of questions about this, and there are a lot of strong opposition. I would suggest that it was the wording, and I don't remember the post, rather than the sentiment.

[coccinelle]

but you are right it's registry and not registery.