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Up To 600 Afghan Interpreters Given The Right To Come To Britain.
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Is it right to allow these 'paid' foreign employees of the UK, the right to reside in this country?
It is said they will receive free travel to the UK and accommodation paid for their first three months.
Who will be paying after those three months expire? I think you have got it in one.
Is it right to allow these 'paid' foreign employees of the UK, the right to reside in this country?
It is said they will receive free travel to the UK and accommodation paid for their first three months.
Who will be paying after those three months expire? I think you have got it in one.
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LazyGun
/// What would be your preferred solution, AoG? Pay them off and leave them to fend for themselves once we have withdrawn? ///
Why not, or are we to invite everyone to the UK who have carried work out for us in all the trouble spots of the world in which we have found ourselves in, the cleaners, the drivers, the maintenance crews, the tribesmen who have assisted us, why not any Afghan soldier or even policeman, etc, etc and etc?
If the reason we were out there along with all those deaths and life changing injuries that our troops have had to endure, was to make the country safe from the Taliban, then where is the risk, or are we saying it was all for nothing?
/// What would be your preferred solution, AoG? Pay them off and leave them to fend for themselves once we have withdrawn? ///
Why not, or are we to invite everyone to the UK who have carried work out for us in all the trouble spots of the world in which we have found ourselves in, the cleaners, the drivers, the maintenance crews, the tribesmen who have assisted us, why not any Afghan soldier or even policeman, etc, etc and etc?
If the reason we were out there along with all those deaths and life changing injuries that our troops have had to endure, was to make the country safe from the Taliban, then where is the risk, or are we saying it was all for nothing?
"when showing support for our soldiers, it is then we hear "no one forced therm to enlist", "they get paid , don't they"? etc, etc. "
"So I will say similar, "they knew the risks involved when they took the job" and were also paid handsomely for doing so"
I'm afraid the two situations aren't quite the same.
As said by LG, a member of the British armed forces can come home at the end of his/her tour of duty. They enjoy some benefits, although not nearly enough support for the mental health problems they commonly suffer on return imho.
These interpreters have taken just as great a risk, showed just the same level of sacrifice, and been just as invaluable a service to the efforts of our campaign. They deserve the same benefits.
Now, we have explained why our response to this case is what it is. Please explain why you are willing to offer nothing but uncritical adulation to our forces, yet unwilling to offer the same respect for the efforts of these interpreters.
"So I will say similar, "they knew the risks involved when they took the job" and were also paid handsomely for doing so"
I'm afraid the two situations aren't quite the same.
As said by LG, a member of the British armed forces can come home at the end of his/her tour of duty. They enjoy some benefits, although not nearly enough support for the mental health problems they commonly suffer on return imho.
These interpreters have taken just as great a risk, showed just the same level of sacrifice, and been just as invaluable a service to the efforts of our campaign. They deserve the same benefits.
Now, we have explained why our response to this case is what it is. Please explain why you are willing to offer nothing but uncritical adulation to our forces, yet unwilling to offer the same respect for the efforts of these interpreters.
Afghan Soldiers and Policemen are appointed and employed by the Afghan army and not the British one. Afghan interpreters are employed by the British army, and through that employment they have been put in danger. I don't even think you can argue that they did "know the risks" -- it's a crazy enemy that decides to attack those who are just providing translation services, and I'll bet that not many interpreters expected their lives to be under threat.
On grounds of consistency, too, we should allow the interpreters to live here. A few years back Gurkhas won their right to retire to the UK -- and Nepal isn't even a country with such dangers.
Unfortunately, we've not been able to make Afghanistan safe. That's the consequence of, among other things, bad planning and policy, and is our mess as a result. The people who will suffer most are the Afghans themselves. The single biggest tragedy in the world is whenever anyone suffers through no fault of their own. We should do what we can to minimise that suffering. 600 people is not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's 600 people who now have a chance to live without constant fear of death.
On grounds of consistency, too, we should allow the interpreters to live here. A few years back Gurkhas won their right to retire to the UK -- and Nepal isn't even a country with such dangers.
Unfortunately, we've not been able to make Afghanistan safe. That's the consequence of, among other things, bad planning and policy, and is our mess as a result. The people who will suffer most are the Afghans themselves. The single biggest tragedy in the world is whenever anyone suffers through no fault of their own. We should do what we can to minimise that suffering. 600 people is not a lot in the grand scheme of things, but it's 600 people who now have a chance to live without constant fear of death.
@AoG.
Afghan policeman? Since when were they employed by the British Army?
Anyone whose employment by the army gives them a high target asset value should be offered relocation. A cleaner or a driver is very unlikely to to fall into that category, nor do I know for sure that the british army employs locals to do such tasks - do you? In fact, I would be quite surprised if to hear that they did. Do you have any links to sources that show that they do?
So - we are back to the 600 or so iterpreters - invaluable assets in carrying out the Armies role, and who have a high target value to the Taliban in consequence. It seems entirely acceptable to me to offer them relocation. Such actions should be factored into the cost of prosecuting any foreign milirary adventures.
Afghan policeman? Since when were they employed by the British Army?
Anyone whose employment by the army gives them a high target asset value should be offered relocation. A cleaner or a driver is very unlikely to to fall into that category, nor do I know for sure that the british army employs locals to do such tasks - do you? In fact, I would be quite surprised if to hear that they did. Do you have any links to sources that show that they do?
So - we are back to the 600 or so iterpreters - invaluable assets in carrying out the Armies role, and who have a high target value to the Taliban in consequence. It seems entirely acceptable to me to offer them relocation. Such actions should be factored into the cost of prosecuting any foreign milirary adventures.
Old Git - did you er read what you have just posted ?
I cant work out where you stand.
'Who will be paying after those three months expire ? ' you ask.
Well, we will: it is part of the expensive package we negotiated, so we knew that anyway.
'I think you have got it in one' means you/one has to pay for whatever service you/one has negotiated.
Now after Vietnam - there were a lot of immigrants to the Land of the Free and they have done quite well out of it - the land of the Free that is.
I cant work out where you stand.
'Who will be paying after those three months expire ? ' you ask.
Well, we will: it is part of the expensive package we negotiated, so we knew that anyway.
'I think you have got it in one' means you/one has to pay for whatever service you/one has negotiated.
Now after Vietnam - there were a lot of immigrants to the Land of the Free and they have done quite well out of it - the land of the Free that is.
FredPuli43
/// Hang on. The Daily Mail does not appear to have condemned this decision. Have I missed the dog-whistle ? Or are you out on your own, aog, out-Mailing the Mail? ///
It is a valid debating point, and just because many on AB do not agree with me, does not mean that I am alone in my view on this.
There are two sides to any debate, read the number of Daily Mail website comments on this subject, here is just one,
/// There's no money for our own people, yet magically the government has found another 40 million to spend on supporting Afghanis to come and live here - plus the cost of the benefits they will get year after year. This on top of the ADDITIONAL 60 million to go to Syria - £100 million pounds that could have better been spent on allowing disabled people in the UK to keep their second bedrooms!! ///
/// Hang on. The Daily Mail does not appear to have condemned this decision. Have I missed the dog-whistle ? Or are you out on your own, aog, out-Mailing the Mail? ///
It is a valid debating point, and just because many on AB do not agree with me, does not mean that I am alone in my view on this.
There are two sides to any debate, read the number of Daily Mail website comments on this subject, here is just one,
/// There's no money for our own people, yet magically the government has found another 40 million to spend on supporting Afghanis to come and live here - plus the cost of the benefits they will get year after year. This on top of the ADDITIONAL 60 million to go to Syria - £100 million pounds that could have better been spent on allowing disabled people in the UK to keep their second bedrooms!! ///
mikey4444
/// Perhaps they will do jobs that our nice white, British not-lazy-at-all, Daily Mail reading, long-term unemployed won't touch with a barge poll ? ///
A totally racist comment to make, yet it has not been removed or condemned except by me.
i wonder what the reaction would have been if I myself had put the same except changed the word 'WHITE' to 'BLACK'?
/// Perhaps they will do jobs that our nice white, British not-lazy-at-all, Daily Mail reading, long-term unemployed won't touch with a barge poll ? ///
A totally racist comment to make, yet it has not been removed or condemned except by me.
i wonder what the reaction would have been if I myself had put the same except changed the word 'WHITE' to 'BLACK'?
to not be allowed into this country or to actually get deported if you are here illegally (untold numbers) you would have to be extremely unlucky, one of lifes biggest losers in fact.
Its probably easier to win the lottery than get kicked out once in or not be able to get in, in the first place.
You handwringers, do-gooders or whatever you want to be called just dont have a clue as to the damage you have done/are doing to this country.
Its probably easier to win the lottery than get kicked out once in or not be able to get in, in the first place.
You handwringers, do-gooders or whatever you want to be called just dont have a clue as to the damage you have done/are doing to this country.
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I doubt they'll be signing on - I'm sure there are many openings for Afghan translators!
And I think it's a bit unfair to accuse AOG to only be concerned about money
From his deleted post yesterday I'm sure he's equally concerned with the risk to the country's 'racial purity' (I think that was the term used)
And I think it's a bit unfair to accuse AOG to only be concerned about money
From his deleted post yesterday I'm sure he's equally concerned with the risk to the country's 'racial purity' (I think that was the term used)
Bazzer
How is standing by our colleagues 'damaging our country'?
It would be a much more damaged place if we lowered our moral and ethical standards to the likes of yours
Our paid, do it of their own free service people will being withdrawn
So should these colleagues who patrolled alongside
Aog
How many of our service people to you expect to settle in Afghanistan after our forces leave?
How is standing by our colleagues 'damaging our country'?
It would be a much more damaged place if we lowered our moral and ethical standards to the likes of yours
Our paid, do it of their own free service people will being withdrawn
So should these colleagues who patrolled alongside
Aog
How many of our service people to you expect to settle in Afghanistan after our forces leave?
"Who will be paying after those three months expire? I think you have got it in one."
I am more than happy for a bit of my taxes to go towards paying for these interpretors after three months, however, I suspect that they will be the type of people to get off their behinds and find paying work.
I mean, if you're the kind of person who will risk your life working alongside soldiers in a war zone, you're hardly likely to want to spend your life sitting on a sofa, shovelling Gregg's pasties down your neck and claiming off the social.
Or are you?
How would I know!
I am more than happy for a bit of my taxes to go towards paying for these interpretors after three months, however, I suspect that they will be the type of people to get off their behinds and find paying work.
I mean, if you're the kind of person who will risk your life working alongside soldiers in a war zone, you're hardly likely to want to spend your life sitting on a sofa, shovelling Gregg's pasties down your neck and claiming off the social.
Or are you?
How would I know!
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