Terror Attack In London

[ummmm]

Breaking News on BBC now.

[ChillDoubt]

As one of the two was described as critical, I doubt the Police wanted them 'alive'. ARU teams are not trained to maim but to kill.
These two just got lucky IMHO.

[ummmm]

The policewoman on This Morning said they would have shot to stop, not to kill.

[ChillDoubt]

Exactly ummmm, it wouldn't be seen as very nice or 'British' for the Police to admit publicly that it's their policy to kill people.
They're trained to neutralise a threat in the best way possible. When faced with someone who is armed, they aren't taught to aim for a leg.
How many others who've approached Police with a handgun have survived?
As I say, these two just got lucky.

[237SJ]

It`s better that they are alive. Much as they deserve to die, you need them for intelligence gathering.

[ummmm]

Just by the nature of the crime and the location the police probably had an idea that this was some sort of terrorist attack. They are better kept alive.

What I'm finding disturbing at the moment is the amount of people I considered to be reasonable human beings 'liking' the EDL's facebook page.

[1ndex]

Will you wear a Help the Heroes tee shirt in support of the soldier

Who dares Wins……

[ummmm]

Would you?

I wouldn't wear one anyway so I'm not going to start wearing one now.

[Gromit]

// Much as they deserve to die, you need them for intelligence gathering. //

Even by the little we know, I doubt they are going to find much intelligence in these individuals.

[Svejk]


ummmm

Who is trying to justify it?

10:02 Thu 23rd May 2011

The usual suspects, ummmm.
Blaming G.Bush snr, G.Bush jnr, Tony Blair,Daviid Cameron, the British Army and the 'west'.
In short,anyone, bar the 2 imbeciles who did it.
I suppose they'd say they're looking for reasons.(Seems like justifying to me)
Even you got a bit tetchy with one of them last night.

[ChillDoubt]

What I'm finding disturbing at the moment is the amount of people I considered to be reasonable human beings 'liking' the EDL's facebook page.
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I don't do Farcebook so can't comment but I'd hazard a guess that as I've said elsewhere, the general public have had enough of the PC, open arms, let-them-all-come policy.
Just a hunch, though. That appears to be the opinion of an NHS staff rest room, though I've been berated recently by 'the big boys of AB' for such a comment as such a place and the personnel in it are not a yardstick by which public opinion can be measured.
Oddly, they're somewhat conspicuous by their absence today.

[pdust]

thanks alwaysconfused thats exactly what i wanted to see/hear.... seems to me hes just another nutter on the streets..

and thanks to you kosmos, i never actually saw the outcome of that, i did however see many many debates about him being considered insane rather than a terrorist..

peter ... takbir is the word in arabic for Allahu Akbar meaning God is great/greater/greatest.... if someone says takbir then the people around will say Allahu Akbar... its not just used as some think in situations like this but for a lot of things... we say it in salat and for example i went to a charity event for syria last year... every time someone donated an amount the person speaking said 'takbir' to which everyone said Allahu Akbar

and for question 2 http://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=5&verse=44&to=50

i was pulled up either here or elsewhere (without looking through i cant remember where) as to why my first comments were questioning the terrorism thing rather than exclaiming shock/horror at what had happened.... the conversation went as it did like conversations do, had i read or seen it properly my first comments may well have been shock/horror, i was also pulled up for commenting without knowing the whole story (which tbh none of us know the whys and wherefores, we all only seen the outcome) but i did say loads of times i hadnt seen which is why i was questioning. so now ive seen, yes it was a horrible way to die.... but im not shocked... i see mutilation on an enormous scale every day on photos of situations in places like syria/palestine/rohingya..... not only of adults but many many babies and children.... to start with i was shocked, disbelieving, now it makes me angry and overwhelmingly sad, maybe ive seen so much im hardened to the shock of this kind of thing?

[naomi24]

Pixi, //maybe ive seen so much im hardened to the shock of this kind of thing? //

This is not war and it is not civil unrest - it is cold blooded, brutal, barbaric slaughter carried out by fanatical religious madmen.

[pdust]

*What I'm finding disturbing at the moment is the amount of people I considered to be reasonable human beings 'liking' the EDL's facebook page*

from what ive seen this morning ummm theres people on the EDL pages threatening mob violence and beheading muslim babies and children in retaliation.....i cant give links as it was in my feed and since writing on here its been pushed way down my page and i cant find it and not sure which edl page it was on as theres many but if you are following the pages and see it i wouldnt mind a link so i can read later...

peter... not sure you will be interested in this but you asked about the ayat in Quran so ill mention it anyway as it touches on man made laws in interpretation of the Quran, mainly the charity giving bit.... my ex husband killed people in iraq/iran/syria as a result of 'tribal wars'.... it wasnt a situation of muslim against kufr or even sunni against shia... it was sunni against sunni and narrowed down further it was the same madhab.... when they injure or kill someone if the person or the family of the person forgives them and/or accepts compensation absolutely no charges are brought against them.. of course this just results in more retaliation from either side :(

[ummmm]

This has nothing to do with Syria!! Why bring up that conflict?

This is a man beheaded in a London street by Muslim fanatics. Can you not bring yourself to just condemn what they have done without putting up a counter argument?

[Zeuhl]

Chilly

/Oddly, they're somewhat conspicuous by their absence today. /

Are we?

BTW don't take things so personally Chill

any workplace group (especially less than 800) would be unrepresentative of the population

[pdust]

*This is not war and it is not civil unrest - it is cold blooded, brutal, barbaric slaughter carried out by fanatical religious madmen.*

so its okay whats going on over there with it being war? i was trying to point out that ive seen so many horrific photos that the killing of this man didnt shock me...

[ummmm]

I'm horrified, Pixi, I truly am :-(

[Peter Pedant]

ummmm um
I asked a technical question and pdust answered it clearly and concisely

thank you pd

[pdust]

like i just said to naomi, it was because ive seen so many horrific photos it didnt shock me.... it wasnt a counter argument it was an explanation of why i wasnt shocked... as for condemning them didnt i call them nutters in previous comments?