Is The Edl's Tommy Robinson Sill On Bail?

[Gromit]

Anyone know?

He was arrested again yesterday headed for the London mosque.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23110566

[THECORBYLOON]

Anotheoldgot, the Met found an alternative route so what was the problem in going along that one?

[mikey4444]

AOG...you have added nothing of value whatsoever to this discussion, just your normal rant. I have a Mosque in home town here in South Wales and there are 1000's of ways that I could march anywhere in the town that took my fancy, without walking past the Mosque.

Robinson, or whatever today's name is, choose to walk past the Mosque in order to make a political point. Everyone can see that. I am not the biggest fan of the Police these days, but they took the action they did in order to prevent a breach of the peace. That is their job after all.

[jomifl]

It's OK to have street demonstrations against the G7 meetings, poll tax, closing coal mines, trident, Margaret Thatcher, Blair's invasion of Iraq, cruise missiles etc. but a 'knuckle dragging' EDL representative cannot walk down a london street and a woman by the Cenotaph cannot read from a list of those killed in Iraq whilst a muslim cleric can regularly block streets with prayer meetings, defended by masked bodyguards. There seems to be an imbalance here.

[Kromovaracun]

Feeling a bit unstable does not entitle you to be rude or aggressive. I detect no bullying - only the inevitable response if you call someone a terrorist sympathiser.

I do not view this action by the police as an affront to freedom, or to democracy. The EDL are nakedly exploiting a horrific murder for political gain.

[Gromit]

AOG

No it wasn't. It was a case of two men disobeying the law and being arrested for obstructing the police. One is a football hooligan with a conviction for violence. They were there to get publicity for their cause. Hijacking the murder of a soldier was their way of getting that publicity. Lennon had already tweeted that he would be in a police cell by lunchtime so he had no intention of laying flowers. He planned to break the law, he planned to get arrested and he knew that would get the sympathy and publicity he wanted.

[jomifl]

Fred,
" Fascism hiding in a fog of PC" eh? What an irony. That's exactly the response Sir Oswald, no mean fascist himself, would have made to his being prevented.
Except he didn't did he.
Fascism has no particular political colour and fascism exists just as much on the left as the right. Mao and Stalin did a pretty good job of being fascist and some there are some good examples of fascism on this thread.
Nobody has yet explained what the consequences of the EDL walk would be because nobody knows. All we are seeing is lack of argument and blind political bias.

[THECORBYLOON]

Anotheoldgit, there are hundreds of mosques in London but thousands of streets, do you honestly think that even in an area with a high percentage of Muslims, it is not possible to find a route avoiding any mosque?

[jomifl]

No one has yet explained what is expected to happen if the 'knuckle dragger' walked past a mosque. I can only assume that nothing would happen, so why all the fuss?

[anotheoldgit]

/// English Dense League's ///

/// Watching those two EDL pricks today ///

/// They are nothing but a knuckle dragging embarrassment IMO ///

Entered by those who wish other people to take notice of their supposedly intelligent posts.

It would seem that those who revert to such abusive name calling, are no better than those they continuously criticise.

[Gromit]

Jomifl

The EDL have a right to be heard and from 2009 to 2012 they more or less could march and hold demos where ever they wanted. That policy seems to have changed recently with the authorities banning more marches and their routes being more controlled. The reason for this is not political, and trying to silence them. It is because the cost of policing all the aggro was very expensive.

// An EDL demo in Bristol this July 2012 cost £495,000 with 1,300 officers and civilian staff drafted in.

And a similar protest in Leicester City Centre in October 2010 cost £850,000, according to the BBC. //

Multiply those costs by an EDL demo every week and you can see they are costing (wasting) £millions of pounds each year. By nipping potential violence in the bud by using the law, the authorities are saving the local council tax payer £thousands in policing costs.

[Peter Pedant]

I think we can usefullly ask: what is the role of the mosque in (Islamic) society - well we know it isnt like a church,
so if it is just a meeting house for prayer
what is the point of walking past it ?

Let us also recollect one of the knuckle draggers in clink sat down with a Koran (in translation, this isnt a miracle story) in order to pick holes in it and ... was converted !

we have the power/right to demonstrate
but not necessarily where we like and when we like....

[ummmm]

Do people really think that football hooligans are out to protest peacefully?

[Peter Pedant]

The flaw in you cost armonitment is that it may not be extra cost:

If fifty policemen were diverted from drinking tea at the station
or pointing speed g+nz at motorists
and sent down the centre to monitor a peaceful demo


then it may cost £5000 - but that is not an extra £5000 coming from your pocket

[Peter Pedant]

armonitment

# argument #

oops - doesnt alter the main point

[THECORBYLOON]

Anotheoldgit, are you saying that I am no better than some members of the English Dense League who have wished that firebombed mosques were full of folk at the time, those who have called for more attacks and those who thought the attacks were hilarious? Really?

[mushroom25]

//It is because the cost of policing all the aggro was very expensive. //

democracy cancelled because of the cost , eh? doesn't that set something of a precedent?

[jomifl]

Let us also recollect one of the knuckle draggers in clink sat down with a Koran (in translation, this isnt a miracle story) in order to pick holes in it and ... was converted
:-)
I wonder which bits apealed to him?

[anotheoldgit]

Has is generally found, it is not the EDL who cause the trouble but those others (such as some on here) who take exception towards the EDL making their point.

Perhaps the police would be better employed seeing that these opposing groups are not allowed to gather at an otherwise peaceful protest, and then make their arrest if the EDL happened to break the law after that.

That hate preacher was allowed to spout his bile on the streets, while the police stood around to see that no one disrupted him, but then there were no opposing groups around to do so.

[FredPuli43]

jomifl, by "but he didn't did he?" are you seriously suggesting that Sir Oswald Mosley did not object to a law forbidding the wearing of political uniforms and requiring police consent for his marches? Why do you think that law, the 1936 Public Order Act, was passed? He was the founder of the British Union of Fascists, later adding "and National Socialists", which is a bit of a clue to his being what we understand as fascist. The fact that the word has been hijacked to apply to any dictator or intending dictator from the extreme left to the extreme right, and to anyone whose authoritarian views people don't agree with, is immaterial. That's just a debasement of the language by certain people, the word being chosen because of its Nazi associations.

Hence the irony in someone using the word fascist in connection with the banning, or direction of, a march (or "charity walk", as it appears Mr Robinson wanted it to be so seen)

[Gromit]

But democracy isn't cancelled. The EDL can protest as much as it likes and does. Yesterdays ban on marching past a mosque was not to deny the EDL free speech or deny their democratic right to protest, it was to avoid a potential breach of the peace. An alternative route was suggested and not agreed to. Lennon had previously tweeted that he expected to be in a police cell by lunchtime, and he was. It was a premeditated publicity stunt, using the murder of a soldier as cover.