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no it's not, however his rather rude comments just got my goat, and you were right, i hadn't opened the other AOG link, that was about how many girls, women killed in Pakistan, these two stood out for the nature of the reason for their deaths, it wasn't just the girls either, the mother i believe died as well. as to DT comments, he obviously didn't see that i had posted earlier about the Arizona tragedy. one was caused by man, the other a natural disaster, both tragedies in my eyes.