10Th Death By Police Taser.

[Gromit]

// Eye-witness Lee Wilkie, 25, who lives nearby on Mount Road, said: "Three Transit vans came storming up to the house then they bashed his door down and you could hear all sorts of shouting and banging.

"I think he's been Tasered inside and then the ambulance came outside his house. A bit later he came into the street but something happened again and they started giving him CPR in the road.

"He was a good lad, a quiet lad, and he was very well-liked. People around here are just in total shock and really angry as well, why did they have to Taser him?" //

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jordan-begley-named-man-who-5066332

What are your views on Tasers?

Are Tasers safe?
Are they being properly used?
Are they being over used?
Are they being used as first resort instead of last resort?
Is 10 deaths acceptable?

[emmie]

that DM article is linked to these people, as you scroll down...
http://openworldnews.com/

[LazyGun]

@Em Always wise to be sceptical about the source of a news story. I posted that one because you asked for links, and this was the first one i found when i did a google search...

In this instance, is there a reason though why the source of the story taints the facts as reported? Do you find the article especially biased, or lacking in fact somehow? Must confess i have never heard of the agency in question..

I had a brief look at the cases mentioned. I was not there, I have no knowledge about the circumstances of any of the cases. Maybe use of the taser was justified. Maybe not; It concerns me though that there is a danger that tasers will become used outside of the guidelines.

One of the stories highlighted in the seperate box was this;
"A 14-year-old boy was drive-stunned in York for resisting arrest."

The procedure known as "drive stunning" is a pain compliance technique - using the taser to generate pain in the recipient. US guidelines recommend that this technique be avoided since it is not usually all that useful, and may actually exacerbate the situation by inducing rage in the person being tased.

Not sure I am at all happy knowing some members of the UK police force use such measures on 14 years olds.......

[emmie]

because majority of people on this site, deride most of what the paper prints, never mind i found some of the same on other links.
the ten people tasered who died, wasn't because of the taser.?

[emmie]

well two were, i did read the other posts, i was also wondering why it's necessary to taser children, seems extreme...

[emmie]

perhaps if that 14 year old is coming at you with a knife or gun, not unheard of...

[LazyGun]

@Em. Most media outlets have an editorial agenda, which is wise to be sceptical about any story.

Given that in the other stories mentioned in the side-box mentioned the aggravating factors that might have prompted the tasering; Carrying a screwdriver, armed with a knife, etc - It seems reasonable to conclude that the one sentence story about the boy in York was as stated - no aggravating factor like a knife or a gun, otherwise they would have mentioned it, surely?

Not sure about the 10 deaths thing - have not looked into it properly. Reports from the US suggest as many as 538 taser-related deaths- but again no idea of the exact circumstances.....

[emmie]

its in the heading,

[emmie]

sorry about 10 deaths...

[Zacs-Master]

8 of the victims had underlying health issues I believe.

[LazyGun]

@Em Yes, I know its in the heading - I just meant i had not heard directly that 8 of these alleged deaths by taser had already been discounted, and why they arrived at that conclusion.......

[emmie]

i believe it's in some of the posts, links...

[emmie]

orderlimits post at 14.03, says the same

[Gromit]

I have tried to find the figure(s) of how many people have been tasered annually and the total in the last decade.

I cannot find those figures.
Either I am sh*t and am missing them. (please post them if you can find them).
Or The collective figures do not exist.
or They are have not been published.

[Orderlimit]

Hi Gromit, here are some figures from 2004 and 2010 (see
the last PDF file:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/use-of-taser-figures-to-31-march-2010

[Answerprancer]

LOL - I predicted Adolf Bogface would show up on this thread with a bit of good old fascism. Surprised Bazwill-hit-and-run hasn't given his hap'erth yet!

[Orderlimit]

Where did you get the 2011 figure of 1500 from Gromit?.

[Peter Pedant]

We are not told all the details.

The bizzies tank up to the house - but who called them and why ?
The mother is told to stay in the street - why isnt she effing and blinding at the bizzies

and finally if you goggle Jordan Begley Manchester - there are around 100 entries on tasers and then this:

Wanted - Jordan Begley - Greater Manchester Police
www.gmp.police.uk › Wanted‎
3 days ago - Police are hunting a man who is wanted on recall to prison. Jordan Begley (born 22/04/1988), who has connections to the Sale and Trafford

[Orderlimit]

This isn't the same person who is wanted by GMP, Peter P, although they have made an error with the DOB.

[Peter Pedant]

oops public apology
not related to Ld MCA I hope

[Orderlimit]

IPCC files show ten people have died following the police discharging a Taser. They are:

John Butler: Wigan, May 2006 - shot himself after Taser fired

Robert Haines: New Romney, Oct 2006 - Taser fired after police shot him

Brian Loan: County Durham, Oct 2006 - died from heart disease three days after Taser fired

Justin Petty: Bedford, Jan 2008 - Taser fired after he stabbed himself

Raoul Moat: Rothbury, July 2010 - shot himself dead after Taser fired

Dale Burns: Barrow, Aug 2011 - died of drug poisoning after Taser fired

Philip Hulmes: Bolton, Aug 2011 - a Taser was fired after he stabbed himself

Ernestas Anikinas: Gatwick, Feb 2012 - Taser fired after he stabbed himself

Andrew Pimlott: Plymouth, April 2013 - Liquid he had doused himself in caught fire after Taser fired (IPCC investigation ongoing)