Bnp's Ringing Endorsement Of Ukip !

[mikey4444]

There are people here on AB that have questioned me on my use of "BNP-lite" for UKIP. Here is a recent broadcast on the BNP TV Channel ( ! ) :::

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/artificial-ukip-phenomenon

[DrFilth]

naomi he sent it back to the dwp, i can say he was thinking of taking him strapped in his wheelchair to the medical and just leaving him there but it would all be on film and put up on the web for all the world to see what this lot in power are doing.

[naomi24]

DrFilth, // rules are rules and he must attend the medical //

I simply don't believe that. There are thousands of sick and disabled people who are unable to travel. The DWP website says this:

//If you are not fit to travel, you can also request an examination at home but you should give full details of why you are unable to attend a Medical Boarding Centre.//

Perhaps someone at the care home can sort it out for him. It doesn't sound as though it's been handled very efficiently.

[Gromit]

If UKiP do well it will most likely do so by taking votes from the Conservatives not the BNP. And if you want the Conservatives to do badly, you should be quietly encouraging Nigel and the Europhobes.

Your link does not support your claim that the BNP are supporting UKiP. Quite the opposite.

[DrFilth]

naomi he has spoken to them on the phone several times and they did originally say he need not attend then he had another letter think was last week saying he had to attend as it was the new rules that all attend a medical.

as he put it what are they going to do , just chuck him out on the street

if i am ok to travel i will get on the train and film it myself if he does take him down to the medical

[naomi24]

But DrFilth, that's irrational. The DWP know it's impossible for many sick and disabled people to attend. Something is very wrong with your perception of this. Perhaps someone should speak to his doctor - or the Citizen's Advice Bureau. If the man is incapable of travel, that cannot be right.

[DrFilth]

> Something is very wrong with your perception of this. <

i think it is the other way round when you see how some of the sick are treated you may form a different view

[naomi24]

DrFilth, I'm not a stranger to the way the sick are treated. Just trying to help.

[DrFilth]

do you think i am ?

as i have stated he has spoken to them several times


> If you have mobility issues which would mean you would have difficulty in evacuating from the first floor of and ATOS M.E.C. then you must make them aware of this in your ESA50 and in any telephone or other form of communication with them regarding an appointment. It is essential you give them this information whilst requesting a home visit. Remember, ATOS are at liberty to offer you an alternative ground floor venue, however there are rules in their own contract regarding time and distance travelled to an examination.

Note: It is essential you complete the ESA50 form and return it with your request, be sure to give full and accurate supported comments on your level of mobility. If you do not complete the form the HCP reading it will have nothing to make their decision on and will be forced to ask you to attend a medical examination centre. <


would you ike to keep phoing them up press option 2
press option 4
press option 2
press option 5

etc, etc, etc

[DrFilth]

ps that above is for another person at another centre

[naomi24]

DrFilth, no I know you're not. However "It is essential you give them this information whilst requesting a home visit." confirms that home visits are offered, so clearly everyone is not required to attend for assessment.

[DrFilth]

> then you must make them aware of this in your ESA50 and in any telephone or other form of communication with them regarding an appointment. <


let us hope that you are never in this position

[naomi24]

DrFilth, there's no point in having a go at me. Your claim that everyone has to attend an assessment is wrong - we've established that. I'm trying to help you, but I'll leave it now.

[DrFilth]

naomi may i also point out if his cab are like my cab they are turning people away.

from the front page of my local paper, thursday 18 july 2013

> Citizens Advice Bureau say they are having to turn away desperate people seeking help as they struggle to cope with rising demand

[Ric.ror]

I think I can understand what you are trying to get across doctorb
I know a few men who are looking at voting UKIP for one reason or other
I would not really class these as men likely to vote BNP - well from my limited view of BNP anyway
Just men who are facing tough times and looking for someone (they think) who is 'listening' to them

[ichkeria]

Perhaps they should read UKIP's manifesto and ask themselves should they not be a little suspicious of a party promising all sorts of unattainable things.
It's very easy to be the party that 'listens' to people but unfortunately parties in power also have to do stuff. A major reason UKIP are popular with people is because they say what a particular voter likes to hear - and because they've never been in power have nevet had the discrepancy between what you say and what you can actually do. And looking at that manifesto suggests their discrepancy would be even greater than that of the other parties

[Ric.ror]

'A major reason UKIP are popular with people is because they say what a particular voter likes to hear'

I think they all do that don't they

[youngmafbog]

It can come back and bite you in the bum; as the liberals found out. Easy to sit on the outside snipping but suddenly you find yourself in power.

I'm sure it wont happen but it is not beyond the realms of possibility of UKIP forming a Government with the Tories in the even of a hung Parliament and they have enough seats.

[modeller]

IMO UKIP would never join the Tories unless the Tories agreed to pull out of the EU . If the Tories were able to get a true Free Trade Area with no other EU involvement then maybe there could be some accomodation but I can't see that as being remotely possible. The video didn't show any endorsement of UKIP just an acceptance that UKIP was in tune with many people.

[mikey4444]

Cloud cuckoo land YMG I fear.

[mikey4444]

ichkeria...you are right of course, A vote for UKIP ( Oh God...I said it ! ) is largely a wasted vote. It is nigh on impossible to imgine that they will be in a position to form any kind of Government in 2015. They may get the odd seat or two but even that is far-fetched. Voting for a minority party like the above, or even the Greens, must be like peeing yourself while wearing dark trousers...you get a warm feeling but nobody really notices and it doesn't achieve anything anyway.

Even Farage, who is not as green as he is cabbage looking, knows that. He hopes that his party will encourage the Tories to take a sideways leap to the right, something that has already happened, to a small degree. UKIP are only a pressure group, with ill-determined polices. The behaviour of one of their less salubrious MEPs has demonstrated what a rag bag they are. I almost feel sorry for Farage, as keeping control of his loony tunes must be akin to herding cats

Voting for UKIP may increase the chances of a Labour win, as most votes for UKIP will come from the Tories. That is why Dave sleeps so uneasily at nights, and why Boris's grin seems to get wider by the day.