Gove: Mail Was Right To Offend

[ChillDoubt]

Dear oh dear.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24363765

Just doesn't get it does he? This idiot gets further detached from reality day by day. But given Dacre's reputation I suppose he foolishly believes he feels he has to defend a daily sh*t-sheet that his wife writes for, despite all from the PM down saying the paper was wrong.

[DrFilth]

for a person who hated britain i think he could have picked a better job, all them u boats and mines bobbing round the place.

[Zeuhl]

/who presume to be so against any personal insults such as in this case. /

Pray explain how a national newspaper lying about and misrepresenting a dead person's feelings about this country is eqivalent to: 'personal insult'

To use your own examples;

did The Daily Fail call Ralph Milliband an "idiot", or a "rabid marxist" (both of which he may possibly have been)?

No

They said he was 'the man who hated Britain'

Based on a single diary entry when he was 17

If that (and your lacklustre defence of it) wasn't so sinister and despicable it would be laughable

/doesn't prove that he loved Britain, it was his opportunity to take revenge on the Nazis who treated his family and religion so appallingly./

Well that's all the Polish fighter aces from the RAF put in their place.

Not sure it explains why Ralph M stayed in Britain after the War when Belgium, unlike Poland, was liberated?

[ChillDoubt]

Just for the hard of understanding, I've not used the term 'rabid right wingers', nor have I mentioned Dacre's father in ANY of my posts on this subject.

[emmie]

but others have on the same subject in other posts.

[jno]

Peter Dacre for not going to fight in WW2, whilst Ralph Milliband did, why? does that prove something

Well, it does kind of suggest that Miliband didn't hate Britain, since he risked his life for it, wouldn't you say?

Whereas Dacre, well, who knows, he probably loved Britain so much he just couldn't bring himself to leave it.

[Bazile]

Yes , we know emmie - you dislike all in the labour party , even their cats - and you like all tories , even their rottweilers.

[DrFilth]

don't forget who put humphrey out of work

[emmie]

baz wrong again i'm afraid, i don't like most of them, few i have time are not in government as such..

[Ellipsis]

Referring to my previous post since it seems to have been missed ...

>> Gove: Mail Was Right To Offend
> He defended their right to offend. He did not say they were right to offend. Different meanings of "right".

... the premise of the OP is wrong. The correct title should have been:

"Gove: Mail Has Right To Offend"

not

"Gove: Mail Was Right To Offend"

Gove is a strong supporter of freedom of the press, probably more so than most politicians, and though I detest many of Gove's views I think he's OK defending the Mail's right to offend.

[emmie]

he did join up as did many exiles, some returned to their homelands, but many decided to stay put or go to USA, because they knew that Jews were still not be welcome in many places including the land of their birth, not sure about Belgium, but USA at least as far as i remember, does not have a problem with Jewish people, whilst some European countries that emerged out of the ashes of WW2, to this day have a sizeable anti Semitic voice.

[ChillDoubt]

Ellipsis,
Splitting hairs over the OP title is the sign of a losing argument.

Basically, Gove is backing the DM whilst all his colleagues are doing anything but.
Or maybe he's just doing a bit of toadying on behalf of his spouse?
Either way, he's missed the general concensus, not for the first time.

[Ellipsis]

> Splitting hairs over the OP title is the sign of a losing argument

It's hardly splitting hairs. Nowhere does the article you linked to say that Gove said the Daily Mail was right to attack Miliband.

As for losing an argument, I think if you check all my posts you'll find I don't think much of the DM or Gove and am certainly not supportive of the DM's attack, so I'm probably on the same side of the "argument" as you - but I am supportive of their RIGHT to attack, and for our right to attack them for doing so.

[ChillDoubt]

Right to attack? Or right to offend? Your stance seems unclear from your earlier posts.
I'd defend their right to be inquisitive. I wouldn't defend their stance in being vindictive, as they clearly have been.
Gove is just currying favour with his bosses wife, which is a bit sad really.

[Ellipsis]

> Right to attack? Or right to offend?

Both their right to attack and their right to offend.

[ichkeria]

Even if Ralph Miliband had hated Britain - which plainly he did not - so what?
The Mail's Lord Rothermere loved Hitler and the Nazi Party in the 1930s. But are we to infer from that that the Mail today are their ideological heirs?
This is just trash journalism for unenquiring minds.

[Kromovaracun]

^ I agree. The intellectual voidness of the defence that ABers are offering for this story is pretty startling.

Basically the only argument that's been put on offer as a defence is "well actually its perfectly okay because sometimes a few left wing people have in the past criticised dead people"

So basically a despicable act by the Mail is fine because other people have done less severe versions of it. I'm not gonna lie, I actually find it kind of depressing. There's just no arguing with someone who can't see the gaping holes in that idea.

[mikey4444]

Lord Heseltine has now come out as decrying the DM's attitude. All that this ghastly newspaper has done is to unite Ed, Dave and Cleggie, no mean feat.

They should apologise for this hamfisted attempt to smear Ed...its yellow journalism of the worse kind.

[mikey4444]

Just found this on the 'net this morning, which might throw some light on the real DM agenda :::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Harmsworth,_1st_Viscount_Rothermere

[ChillDoubt]

The plot thickens:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24379322

I'm looking forward to hearing the rationale behind that one.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// Peter Dacre for not going to fight in WW2, whilst Ralph Milliband did, why? does that prove something ///

Could it be that Peter Dacre was medically fit, if he was how did he escape being 'Called Up'? And perhaps Ralph Millband was forced to join up since I haven't read anywhere that he volunteered.

If I am correct with my two suggestions, then that makes these of yours invalid.

/// Well, it does kind of suggest that Miliband didn't hate Britain, since he risked his life for it, wouldn't you say? ///

/// Whereas Dacre, well, who knows, he probably loved Britain so much he just couldn't bring himself to leave it. ///