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Tokenism
When the gorgeous Lorraine Pascal's cookery programme was first broadcast on BBC2 a couple of years back, a few right wing commentators accused the BBC of tokenism...because she was black.
Watched a few of her shows and to be honest, I didn't think the accusations had any validity.
She seemed capable in a Nigella Lawson kind of way (sultry hooded eyed glances to camera), and I made her sticky ribs and they were blinking great.
Now - there's a black finalist (Kimberley Wilson) in this year's Great British Bake Off, and I think she has a very strong chance of winning.
She knows her stuff (she talks with confidence about gluten strands etc) and she hasn't really put a foot wrong.
Thing I'm concerned about is that if she wins, are the 'usual bunch' going to scream 'tokenism' again?
On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word?
Watched a few of her shows and to be honest, I didn't think the accusations had any validity.
She seemed capable in a Nigella Lawson kind of way (sultry hooded eyed glances to camera), and I made her sticky ribs and they were blinking great.
Now - there's a black finalist (Kimberley Wilson) in this year's Great British Bake Off, and I think she has a very strong chance of winning.
She knows her stuff (she talks with confidence about gluten strands etc) and she hasn't really put a foot wrong.
Thing I'm concerned about is that if she wins, are the 'usual bunch' going to scream 'tokenism' again?
On a related matter - exactly what do black people have to achieve for racists to stop using the 'T' word?
Answers
Be elected President of the United States? Play for England at football (the racist shouts at Chelsea declined when Chelsea's own star players were black ) ? Win two gold medals in the London Olympics?
13:42 Sun 20th Oct 2013
Some further reading for you Sqad. Humour hath powers to ridicule racism.
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sp. you know I hate the way racism is bandied about at every opportunity and also detest positive discrimination but Kimberley is by far and away the best cook and also has an in depth knowledge about ingredients - alright - she may not be as decorative as Frances with her finished product but definitely the best cook - tokenism - not this one.
Incidentally, AOG, your post of 15:33 contained 113 words...none of which addressed my question.
What do black people such as Lorraine Pascale have todo to avoid certain people levelling the term 'tokenism' at her
I'm asking you, because I suspect from your previous thread, you might have an idea...
What do black people such as Lorraine Pascale have todo to avoid certain people levelling the term 'tokenism' at her
I'm asking you, because I suspect from your previous thread, you might have an idea...
joeluke
I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at.
You wrote:
Yet another case of people finding racism issues where they don't exist
Actually, in this case it does. I referred to the reaction of some pundits on Lorraine Pascale getting her own tv cookery show. They referred to it as typical BBC box-filling and blatant tokenism (unfortunately this was on a radio show, so you have to take my word for it).
The reason why I consider this racist, is because the people complaining literally didn't know a thing about her her background, her qualifications etc...they just said it was the BBC being PC and that she only got the job via tokenism.
Now...do you see where I'm coming from?
What kind of person judges someone's ability purely based on their skin colour.
At time like this, is not not fair to use the term 'racism'?
If not...then what would be a more accurate adjective?
Regarding the black managers in football. Not only is that another tangent - it's the complete opposite of what's being debated.
I think you may have misunderstood what I was getting at.
You wrote:
Yet another case of people finding racism issues where they don't exist
Actually, in this case it does. I referred to the reaction of some pundits on Lorraine Pascale getting her own tv cookery show. They referred to it as typical BBC box-filling and blatant tokenism (unfortunately this was on a radio show, so you have to take my word for it).
The reason why I consider this racist, is because the people complaining literally didn't know a thing about her her background, her qualifications etc...they just said it was the BBC being PC and that she only got the job via tokenism.
Now...do you see where I'm coming from?
What kind of person judges someone's ability purely based on their skin colour.
At time like this, is not not fair to use the term 'racism'?
If not...then what would be a more accurate adjective?
Regarding the black managers in football. Not only is that another tangent - it's the complete opposite of what's being debated.
A prime example
The FA have now got Rio Ferdinand on the commission a few days after that useless women Rabbatt compalined that they were racist because there were'nt any blacks on the commission
so at least theyll have someone to advise them on avoiding/missing drugs tests now
truly pathetic, another cave in
The FA have now got Rio Ferdinand on the commission a few days after that useless women Rabbatt compalined that they were racist because there were'nt any blacks on the commission
so at least theyll have someone to advise them on avoiding/missing drugs tests now
truly pathetic, another cave in
rockyracoon
Kimberley seems the most gifted of the three finalists. Ruby has been named the best baker on three occasions (or was it four), but she's been close to being chucked out a couple of times. I think you need to be consistently good to win (like the gay fella who won the first series).
And the Lorraine Pascale thing just completely foxes me. It's almost like (ahem) 'socially conservative' commentators refuse to believe that black people can make it through hard work and talent. It's the whole David Harewood, Idris Alba, Adrian Lester, Chiwetel Ejiofor (a man who's name can only be spelled after accessin Wikipedia...)
I went all fuzzy at the mention of Idris Elba, sorry ;)
Kimberley seems the most gifted of the three finalists. Ruby has been named the best baker on three occasions (or was it four), but she's been close to being chucked out a couple of times. I think you need to be consistently good to win (like the gay fella who won the first series).
And the Lorraine Pascale thing just completely foxes me. It's almost like (ahem) 'socially conservative' commentators refuse to believe that black people can make it through hard work and talent. It's the whole David Harewood, Idris Alba, Adrian Lester, Chiwetel Ejiofor (a man who's name can only be spelled after accessin Wikipedia...)
I went all fuzzy at the mention of Idris Elba, sorry ;)
SP, //with regards to looking for racism...seriously, one doesn't have to wait long for it to rear it's head here!//
But the reality is you can count them on the fingers of one hand. Life’s odd really. You can encounter 100 people, 99 of whom were pleasant – but you remember most the odd one who was obnoxious. ;o)
But the reality is you can count them on the fingers of one hand. Life’s odd really. You can encounter 100 people, 99 of whom were pleasant – but you remember most the odd one who was obnoxious. ;o)
sp. Scenario - a black guy is promoted to a very senion job on his qualifications - they some time later decide to check his qualification and find he does not have them (his colleagues are furious because some of them had applied for the position and had the qualifications. They knew he did not) what did management do - I kid you not - they sent him to college to obtain said qualifications and keep his job - do you still perceive his colleagues racist. I see them in justified to complain.
