Murderer To Be Allowed A Sex Change.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2494991/Murderer-born-man-sentenced-life-womens-prison-arranging-sex-change-taxpayers-money.html

Should this killer been allowed sex change surgery on the NHS, after being convicted of this horrific crime.

Surely if he has survived 22 years as a man, why the need to become a woman now that he has been convicted of murder?

/// Green's surgery is expected to cost several thousand of pounds and will include travel and accommodation expenses as well as guards. ///

/// Inmates and staff at Cornton Vale are reportedly furious at having to deal with him. ///

/// Scottish Tories chief whip John Lamont told the Daily Record: 'Upon killing this man, he should have lost all his rights to a sex change on the NHS. ///

'This sums up just how crazy our justice system has become.'

[jim360]

"Surviving" 22 years isn't the same as enjoying those. If he -- well, if she -- has passed the assessments required to diagnose gender dysphoria, of course she should have the option. Not to do so would be to impose effectively an extra psychological punishment on top of her life sentence: not to live her life in the body she chooses.

[baza]

what a waste of money, if he wants the fun of being a woman then all he has to do is drop the soap in the shower.

[pixie373]

Oh For Funks Sake! That's ridiculous. He should still be put in a male prison anyway, as he will still genetically be a man. But no, a complete waste of money and you can't cure a mental illness with a physical operation, anyway.

[ummmm]

What a stupid thing to say Baza...

[baza]

the first bit I stand by, the second bit was tongue in cheek.

[FredPuli43]

Should anybody be allowed a sex change on the NHS ? If the answer is yes and they fit the criteria for such an operation, then the fact they are a convicted murderer should not make a difference; you wouldn't refuse them other essential surgery.

I can't see why the surgery was held essential for this person ,but then I am not a doctor.

[Sqad]

Fred

\\\\ then the fact they are a convicted murderer should not make a difference; you wouldn't refuse them other essential surgery. \\

"other essential surgery?" are you suggesting that a sex change operation is "essential surgery."

Madness, total madness, after serving a couple of months in a female jail, he would soon be begging for sex reversal surgery.

[jim360]

We'll see, Sqad -- but there's no reason to assume that this is just a ploy. After all, she'll stay in prison for the sentence so at least in that sense nothing has changed.

Ultimately it has to depend on the assessment. It takes a great deal to convince people that you should undergo gender reassignment so the decision won't have been taken lightly. Being a convicted murderer is unlikely to have made the process any faster either.

[FredPuli43]

I think a sex change can be seen as essential, Sqad, and the NHS obviously thinks that it is in some cases or no such operations would be carried out on the NHS.

I never understood sex change. The man would say "I always felt as though I was a woman" but, obviously, he had no idea what it felt like to be a woman as he'd never been one. But it is a recognised condition.

[Sqad]

Jim

\\\\\\\ It takes a great deal to convince people that you should undergo gender reassignment so the decision won't have been taken lightly.\\\


mmmm!...I wonder.......the decision is probably made on psychological assessment, made obviously by Psychiatrists..............probably much easier to "fool" than other branches of medicine.

[jno]

no doubt some would prefer it if prisoners didn't have access to the NHS and just died... but as the country isn't run that way, he's entitled to the same medical treatment as anyone else.

[factor-fiction]

I agree 100% with Fred. Decisions on whether treatment is necessary/appropriate is based on medical need and should take no account of someone's criminal record.
Whilst it could be argued that no-one should receive sex change ops on the NHS, if such ops are done on the NHS then prisoners shouldn't be excluded if they meet the medical need criteria.

[Sqad]

Fred.....LOL

"I always felt as though I was a woman" but, obviously, he had no idea what it felt like to be a woman as he'd never been one. But it is a recognised condition.

Beats me too!

[Old_Geezer]

Maybe cutting them off with reduce his violent tendencies ?

[Sqad]

jno

\\\\no doubt some would prefer it if prisoners didn't have access to the NHS and just died..\\\\

Stupid comment which adds nothing to a serious thread.

[pixie373]

I can't understand that either, fred. People diagnosing themselves with no experience and then being given free cosmetic surgery and hormones.

[jno]

you've quoted half a sentence, Sqad. Any comment on the merits of the second post on this "serious" thread?

[ummmm]

How is stupid considering the amount of people that would bring back hanging..?

[FredPuli43]

Afraid not, OG. Cutting them off doesn't reduce violent tendencies in dogs, because it doesn't cut anything out of the brain! Whether the hormones etc used in sex changes do, I can't say, but there are certainly women who are capable of horrific murders, some of whom commit them.

[sandyRoe]

Had he accomplices in his crime? They should have the op, too. Would make then more biddable.