Jack Straw Admits It Was A Spectacular Mistake

[trt]

On Immigration: Straw finally admits Labour 'messed up' by letting in one million East Europeans!!!!!!

So that's OK is it Jack, now you are more than comfortably off, and living in your luxury home?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2504398/A-spectacular-mistake-immigration-Straw-finally-admits-Labour-messed-letting-million-East-Europeans.html

[bazwillrun]

Remind me how long labour were trying to ruin the country for during the 80's and 90's........

[Zeuhl]

/Remind me how long labour were trying to ruin the country for during the 80's and 90's........ /

Err? is the answer 3 years?

Margaret Thatcher 1979-1990
John Major 1990-1997

[Gromit]

// Remind me how long labour were trying to ruin the country for during the 80's and 90's //

Baz, Labour were in power for just 3 of those 20 years. Immigration from Asia did not stop during the 18 years the Conservatives were in power.

[FredPuli43]

Go back a bit , baz, starting in 1964-1970, with Harold Wilson. Then you have 1970-1974, Edward Heath (Conservative), 1974-1976, Wilson again, 1976-1979 , James Callaghan. That's 25 years , of which 4 were under a Conservative government.

[LazyGun]

If you can point to any Tory policy that would have provided a greater barrier to the influx of barriers, you might have a point with all the exclamation marks. As it is,you cannot - and the CBI and business in general were very supportive of the influx of cheap labour from eastern europe, since it kept wage costs down and profit margins up.There is nothing business likes more than a large unemployment pool and cheap labour."New" Labour badly underestimated the numbers coming in, it is true, and that is too their discredit, but I cannot recall the Tories of the time raising alarms or offering different systems of immigration and control, nor could they, since the story of recent immigration has been from eastern european members to the EU, over which national governments have only a small input.

The legacy remains. Government do the bare minimum to ensure that wages match the minimum wage criteria. If they were more rigorous in the enforcement of such minimum standards, that itself would provide some disincentive to hiring non domestic workers. Infrastructure development especially in certain urban areas has lagged badly behind requirements, as a consequence of the mistake in forecasting, meaning education and health systems are put under sever strain.

I don't know that this is news either; several of the Labour grandees have already said the same thing. Hopefully, people not just in the UK but across Europe will have learnt some lessons - The pattern of mass human migration for decades has been a kind of osmosis, with economic migrants gravitating towards those more affluent and economically active trading blocs, such as the EU. Some reflection on this is definitely required.

[emmie]

too little too late.

[emmie]

jno, if you go into Primark you will see, hear people from every nation on the planet, it's not just the British who shop there.

[trt]

I bet you don't see Eskimos emmie :+)

[emmie]

Innuit you mean, quite likely, i have heard so many languages spoken in the capital, can't possibly count them. Those who shop in London are from every place you can think of, not just skint Brits.

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// Go back a bit , baz, starting in 1964-1970, with Harold Wilson. Then you have 1970-1974, Edward Heath (Conservative), 1974-1976, Wilson again, 1976-1979 , James Callaghan. That's 25 years , of which 4 were under a Conservative government. ///

Can't quite get my head round your figures, 1964 to 1979 that's 15 years surely?

1964 - 1970 Wilson Labour !974 - 1976 Wilson Labour, 1976 - 1979 Callaghan Labour = 11 years under Labour.

1970 - 1974 Heath Conservatives = 4 years

[anotheoldgit]

When talking about immigration one should equal this country to a very large company.

The head of such a company would not take in large numbers of employees who would be of no use to his company, just because they wanted to become employees, he would be very selective and only allow those into his company who would be beneficial to the said company.

No company would last long if they employed everyone who came knocking at their door.

[modeller]

If I remember rightly every country in the E

[FredPuli43]

Thanks, AOG. That was an unspotted 'typo', not that my maths would, necessarily, not have permitted 25 !

[modeller]

If I remember rightly every country in the EU during the Brown years put a cap on EU immigrants but Brown said it wasn't needed and allowed unlimited immigration .

[Zeuhl]

/When talking about immigration one should equal this country to a very large company/

Why?

Company Directors are there to make a profit and serve stockholders
Governments are there to serve the greater good

Company directors can make people redundant, sack them or sell off bits of the company
Governments are stuck with whoever can legitimately claim citizenship including people who have been there for generations but are of no practical use

[Gromit]

// Go back a bit , baz. That's 25 years , of which 4 were under a Conservative government. //

Wrong. The 25 years prior to Thatcher were 14 under the Conservatives and 11 under Labour.

[FredPuli43]

The question is why Britain and two other member states, Ireland being one (I forget the other), did not have the same 7 years embargo on immigration from these countries as other states enforced, and were allowed. Surely the government must have seen, whatever it told us, that we and the other two would get all the immigrants who could not get into the others? It cannot have thought what a good idea it was to have British unemployed figures increasing, just to get cheaper labour doing the jobs, could it?

Or did it think that our unemployed would not do the work anyway, through lack of the necessary skills, being work-shy, or otherwise, and would opt to live on benefits? The burden fell on local infrastructure, such as schools. It did not result in race riots against Poles, so the arrival passed comparatively peacefully.

[tonyav]

Respect to Jack, he dropped one almighty clanger and has admitted it.

[bazwillrun]

in a rush got my numbers wrong...big deal, apologies to all the pedants on here

and ruin wasnt a typo

both governments have one way or another via immigration done their best to change this countrys identity, but labour and the leftie luvvies have excelled.

for the most part they hate the fact that this is a white majority country