Still Think Prison Doesnt Work

[bazwillrun]

He seems to think it will

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/15/jeremy-hammond-anonymous-hacker-sentenced

perhaps if this country dished sentences like this it might act as more of a deterrent

[Zacs-Master]

So you advocate strict sentencing for this crime but not for murder?

[jno]

we'll see if he's right in 10 years, won't we? But if he was hacking under orders from the FBI then perhaps it is his boss who should be serving time?

[2sp_]

I do think that we need to set longer sentences in this country, but I don't think that in itself will act as a deterrent.

Look at the countries and US states that impose the death penalty. There are still people willing to take the risk of getting caught and sentenced to death in those places.

I would like to see longer sentences to keep murderers, rapists and other violent criminals off the streets for a more sensible period. Perhaps the longer they are in, the better the chance of rehabilitation?

IMO, 10 years is a bit harsh in this case, but if that's what the law dictates in the USA who am I to judge?

[bazwillrun]

exactl where did i say strict sentences shouldnt be dished out for murder !

over to you

[hc4361]

It obviously didn't stop him. In that article he said:

“I knew when I started out with Anonymous that being put in jail and having a lengthy sentence was a possibility......."

So it was no deterrent at all

[Zacs-Master]

You're advocating a lenient sentence for the soldier on another thread

[OILhead]

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1292102.html

This is where you were advocating lenient sentences for other serious crimes

[bazwillrun]

but now hes been sentenced it may well be deterrent for future hacking crimes

The marine is doing what he is paid to do, kill those that are trying to and would happily do the same to him.

[2sp_]

Staying on this particular question, you say that " now hes been sentenced it may well be deterrent for future hacking crimes".

I doubt it. People are put to death for certain crimes in the US. Hasn't put anyone else off committing those crimes themselves.

[bazwillrun]

but if in prison they cant commit any crimes , in prison maybe but not against the public.

if theyre executed ...well that pretty clear isnt it

[bazwillrun]

"Hasn't put anyone else off committing those crimes themselves. "

there will always be crime, but there will be people who dont commit because of the fear of the punishmnet...but we dont hear from them, they dont go round saying " i was going to kill him but didnt fancy a stretch ! "

[Zacs-Master]

The marine is doing what he is paid to do

Then why has he been convicted of murder? It would seem that the judicial system (and General Houghton) doesn't agree with you, or do you know better?

[2sp_]

Yes, but that's not going to deter anyone on the street from committing the same crime.

[jim360]

Actually he wasn't doing what he was paid to do. Part of his job is to stick to international law. He didn't. Therefore he wasn't doing what he was paid to do.

[2sp_]

I'm trying (badly) to say that if someone is in the mindset of committing a crime I'm pretty sure that the possible sentence isn't really a concern.

People will always break the law. Tougher sentences just means that we prevent criminals from re-offending for a longer period.

Personally, I have never committed murder because it's wrong, not because I'll go to jail for a long time.

[bazwillrun]

"Then why has he been convicted of murder?"

exactly..that what a lot of people want to know

amazing how the MOD can keep things from the public when it suits them though....

[anotheoldgit]

/// "Hasn't put anyone else off committing those crimes themselves. " ///

How many times do we hear this old chestnut hauled around?

Of course stiffer sentences or even the death penalty will not bring the numbers of crime committed to zero, that is blatantly obvious to anyone, or at least it should be.

But what either would do, would be for lesser numbers to commit crime.

If some of you are still not convinced, say if the paltry sentences that are already dished out now, would to be abolished overnight, and no one had to go to prison for doing something illegal, don't you think that there would be a huge increase in crime?

[anotheoldgit]

Incidentally Baz, I have always wanted to know, why is it that you have chosen not to attach an Avatar to your username?

[Zacs-Master]

AOG, you seem to be arguing against your Marine thread. Your advocating a lighter sentence for Murder over on that thread but saying here that heavier sentences will reduce crime.

[2sp_]

(I am using the US as an example as there are some states that do have the death penalty for murder, and some that don't.)

This is an interesting site -

ww.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

If you scroll down a bit, you see that from 2008 to 2012 the states where murder carried the death penalty had a higher average murder rate than those states that don't.

So, no, I don't think that the threat of the death sentence will reduce crime.

AOG, maybe the reason it's an "old chestnut" that keeps getting "hauled around" is that there is some truth in it?

I do, however think that we should dish out longer sentences.