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Does This Ukip Man Have 'prehistoric' Views?
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http:// www.dai lymail. co.uk/n ews/art icle-25 15115/U kip-MEP -Stuart -Agnew- claims- women-l ack-amb ition-b abies-w ay.html
Mr Agnew was in a debate about having gender quotas. He observed that women who had babies lacked ambition or drive to succeed; babies got in the way; though there were exceptions, but sexism and poor child care held some influence [I paraphrase]
Does he have a point? In the circumstances of the debate, I don't find that necessarily 'prehistoric'
Mr Agnew was in a debate about having gender quotas. He observed that women who had babies lacked ambition or drive to succeed; babies got in the way; though there were exceptions, but sexism and poor child care held some influence [I paraphrase]
Does he have a point? In the circumstances of the debate, I don't find that necessarily 'prehistoric'
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He has a point that babies can and do interrupt a woman's progress at work, but to say that means she lacks ambition is a bit of a leap. I would challenge him to provide some evidence - how many of Britain's top businesswome n are actually childless? He goes on to say that sexism and a lack of childcare facilities also form a barrier to women's progress. I would agree...
09:41 Fri 29th Nov 2013
There was a time when a woman in work stopped working when she got married. Then there was a time when the view was that it was a clear option and yet the general view was that she wouldn't. Now, it may well be that the general view is that she should resume work if for no other reason that the household needs the second income, and if the childcare is available and it makes economic sense, she will. If you can afford to lose the income, then fine, but there are many households where what prevailed in the 1950s cannot be applied any more.
I don't 'get' this affordable childcare. Surely a childminder is entitled to the minimum wage so if (s)he looks after only one child for 50 hours a week that is over £300 a week. If (s)he looks after 3 that is still £100 a week from each family. Then add on the cost of insurance and everything else the childminder must have.
A nursery has all sorts of overheads as well as staff wages.
A nursery has all sorts of overheads as well as staff wages.
FredPuli43
/// but there are many households where what prevailed in the 1950s cannot be applied any more. ///
It could be applied, it is just that the 'modern' young person is not prepared to make the same sacrifices these days.
Way back then a couple's first decision was "can we afford to marry"? Then after they married "what can we afford to buy"? if one didn't have the ready cash (which many did not) then they were forced to save up a deposit so as to buy their 'essential' goods on Hire Purchase. The saying then was if we can't afford it we do without' but not today the modern couple want everything straight away.
Then after they had furnished their home, the next big decision they made was "can we afford for the wife to give up work so as to start a family"?
When that decision was made and the couple had started a family, the woman stayed at home to look after their children and the man reverted to his place in the family as the 'bread winner' for the family.
And so they lived 'happy ever after', well most did.
/// but there are many households where what prevailed in the 1950s cannot be applied any more. ///
It could be applied, it is just that the 'modern' young person is not prepared to make the same sacrifices these days.
Way back then a couple's first decision was "can we afford to marry"? Then after they married "what can we afford to buy"? if one didn't have the ready cash (which many did not) then they were forced to save up a deposit so as to buy their 'essential' goods on Hire Purchase. The saying then was if we can't afford it we do without' but not today the modern couple want everything straight away.
Then after they had furnished their home, the next big decision they made was "can we afford for the wife to give up work so as to start a family"?
When that decision was made and the couple had started a family, the woman stayed at home to look after their children and the man reverted to his place in the family as the 'bread winner' for the family.
And so they lived 'happy ever after', well most did.
pixie373
/// Not completely true, aog. Everybody that i know saves up for what they want. They don't use credit or loans. Perhaps houses and bills are proportionately more expensive now. We don't have luxuries, but still need two incomes. ///
And very good luck to them too, but they must be in the minority in these days of credit cards, over-draughts, bank loans, money lenders, two cars on the drive, wide screen TVs etc, etc, etc.
/// Not completely true, aog. Everybody that i know saves up for what they want. They don't use credit or loans. Perhaps houses and bills are proportionately more expensive now. We don't have luxuries, but still need two incomes. ///
And very good luck to them too, but they must be in the minority in these days of credit cards, over-draughts, bank loans, money lenders, two cars on the drive, wide screen TVs etc, etc, etc.
Exactly my point, jom. I think often the words "ambitious" and "successful" are used by men and women in different ways. We need to stop judging women on men's terms. It's unfair and inaccurate anyway and does nobody any favours. Women have different strengths- we don't actually want to turn them into men.
@pixie
"A bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet-racists."
the other little pea in your pod brought it up
so before you go telling people what and what isnt relevant, on or off subject i suggest you read all the threads in a post carefully
as I said just because people dont share your views on the way this country is being wrecked doesnt make them racist as much as youd like to label them as such
"A bunch of fruitcakes, loonies and closet-racists."
the other little pea in your pod brought it up
so before you go telling people what and what isnt relevant, on or off subject i suggest you read all the threads in a post carefully
as I said just because people dont share your views on the way this country is being wrecked doesnt make them racist as much as youd like to label them as such
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