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Does This Ukip Man Have 'prehistoric' Views?
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Mr Agnew was in a debate about having gender quotas. He observed that women who had babies lacked ambition or drive to succeed; babies got in the way; though there were exceptions, but sexism and poor child care held some influence [I paraphrase]
Does he have a point? In the circumstances of the debate, I don't find that necessarily 'prehistoric'
Mr Agnew was in a debate about having gender quotas. He observed that women who had babies lacked ambition or drive to succeed; babies got in the way; though there were exceptions, but sexism and poor child care held some influence [I paraphrase]
Does he have a point? In the circumstances of the debate, I don't find that necessarily 'prehistoric'
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He has a point that babies can and do interrupt a woman's progress at work, but to say that means she lacks ambition is a bit of a leap. I would challenge him to provide some evidence - how many of Britain's top businesswome
09:41 Fri 29th Nov 2013
i think that women can be extremely competitive, big problem occurs in a male dominated society which is what we have had for far too long. Competition in work seems to be a dirty phrase for some, and sadly women have to be supposedly better than the men to succeed, thus getting labels like ball breakers, hard faced and worse, been there and seen it for myself. women have been the chief homemakers for the very reason men have successfully taken a back seat all these years, and though it is undoubtedly true that women are seen as nurturers, not all are, many want a damn sight more out of life than just churning out children and being content. If they want that solely there is nothing stopping them, however these questions don't arise when put to men or about them, no one expects them to be stay at home dads whilst the wife works, a rather one sided viewpoint.
He has a point that babies can and do interrupt a woman's progress at work, but to say that means she lacks ambition is a bit of a leap.
I would challenge him to provide some evidence - how many of Britain's top businesswomen are actually childless?
He goes on to say that sexism and a lack of childcare facilities also form a barrier to women's progress. I would agree with that.
I would challenge him to provide some evidence - how many of Britain's top businesswomen are actually childless?
He goes on to say that sexism and a lack of childcare facilities also form a barrier to women's progress. I would agree with that.
This man is a complete pillock. The turkey baster may very well have reduced the need for men in this world, but a womb is still needed for a birth, unless my old biology master was wrong. A lack of affordable childcare would seem to me to a major factor in holding back women, not the fact of giving birth in the first place !
As I said, a complete pillock. Farage should sack him on the spot.
As I said, a complete pillock. Farage should sack him on the spot.
Better not read Francis Bacon then: "And surely a man shall see the noblest works and foundations have proceeded from childless men " (Essay, " On parents and children"). His logic was better than Mr Agnew's, though. It was that a childless man would and could strive to achieve something which his body had denied him
//The turkey baster may very well have reduced the need for men in this world...//
maybe in terms of participation, but the sperm have still got to come from somewhere. OK, OK, so there's cloning - but the way to dusty death that route leads, because it doesn't provide for the genetic variety necessary to outwit deadly disease.
maybe in terms of participation, but the sperm have still got to come from somewhere. OK, OK, so there's cloning - but the way to dusty death that route leads, because it doesn't provide for the genetic variety necessary to outwit deadly disease.
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/// A lack of affordable childcare would seem to me to a major factor in holding back women, not the fact of giving birth in the first place ! ///
Affordable childcare?????????
That is most of what is wrong today, some women want babies but don't want to look after them, they are given very generous paid time off so as to bond with their babies, (all at their employers expense may I add), and while they are away on maternity leave their employer has to employ a stand-in all at their expense again.
Then when they go back to their job they then expect the state to provide them with affordable child care until their children are finally old enough to start full time school.
Wouldn't it be better for the child's well being to be brought up by it's parents and not complete strangers, perhaps women should make up their minds to either have children or pursue a career?
/// A lack of affordable childcare would seem to me to a major factor in holding back women, not the fact of giving birth in the first place ! ///
Affordable childcare?????????
That is most of what is wrong today, some women want babies but don't want to look after them, they are given very generous paid time off so as to bond with their babies, (all at their employers expense may I add), and while they are away on maternity leave their employer has to employ a stand-in all at their expense again.
Then when they go back to their job they then expect the state to provide them with affordable child care until their children are finally old enough to start full time school.
Wouldn't it be better for the child's well being to be brought up by it's parents and not complete strangers, perhaps women should make up their minds to either have children or pursue a career?
Yes, and look what nannies did to them.
I think AOG does have a point. The same decision would exist for the man in the relationship too of course.
I have known a few who have chosen not to have kids. They seem pretty contented to me, I have 4 and it is not a bed of roses and sometimes I have wished Grrrrr...... (not really but you know what I mean).
I think AOG does have a point. The same decision would exist for the man in the relationship too of course.
I have known a few who have chosen not to have kids. They seem pretty contented to me, I have 4 and it is not a bed of roses and sometimes I have wished Grrrrr...... (not really but you know what I mean).
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