Is There A Parallel With Nazi Germany And What The Eu Are Currently Attempting?

[ToraToraTora]

All be it by peaceful means...so far. The recent sensoring/complaints about my avatar have inspired this post. Thanks I'm off to find a fluffy bunny.

[emmie]

how many Nazi's who committed atrocities escaped at the hands of friends ?
how many went on to have successful careers, one being Josef Mengele, who lived out his days, admittedly he moved around quite a bit, but eventually settled back in Germany.... we won the war but lost the race. Germany has proven that it still has a way to win in Europe, by dint of the back door approach, it does have more to gain than most from the EU< at least that is how i have seen this all along.

[emmie]

and our friends the Americans made us pay and pay again for their help, as far as i remember we only finished paying back the massive loan we secured, in 2006.

[Zeuhl]

/Germany has proven that it still has a way to win in Europe, by dint of the back door approach/

I don't see why being an industrial/technical/economic powerhouse is a /back door approach/?

If we had as many people around the world queuing up to buy as much of our product as Germany does, we would be more 'dominant' in europe too.

[emmie]

seeing this man's work on the V1 and V2 rockets that devastated the capital and more i can't but wonder that he shipped out to USA and also had a very successful career. In my book he was every bit as guilty as Himmler, Goebels, Hitler for atrocities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

[emmie]

but we don't because we are now ruled from the EU, and indeed we could be making a damn sight better deals with the Chinese, Indians and more emerging nations. Doing it for ourselves not our masters in the EU

[Zeuhl]

/and our friends the Americans made us pay and pay again for their help/

Well it may just be a coincidence but...

1930s: British interests are major asset owners in USA; British Empire global leader

1940s: British owned assets in USA gone; British Empire broke and fragmenting; USA global leader

[emmie]

actually Germany made much moola out of Greece, it sets it's own agenda and doesn't really care about the rest of the EU>

[emmie]

you need to look up the lend lease agreement, or perhaps you are already aware of it, that was money beyond all measure, without it we would have probably sunk without trace, but the interest rates were usury.
i would rather we trade and were friends with the USA than our so called brother Europeans.

[Zeuhl]

/we could be making a damn sight better deals with the Chinese, Indians and more emerging nations./

your evidence for this emmie?

and how is the eu preventing this?

Re von Braun

If designers of wmd are 'war criminals' emmie, there must be plenty of people on our side too
e.g. Manhattan Project

[Zeuhl]

/rather we trade and were friends with the USA than our so called brother Europeans./

The americans aren't interested in trading just with us

EU is the biggest economy in the world
it's a meaningful market and trading partner
and many of the americans I deal with have trouble understanding there can be any significant differences within that

[emmie]

the only thing i could add was that the Americans with the aid of many foreign born scientists developed a weapon beyond all weapons, that the use of one such or two, saved millions more in a land war with the Japanese, much as i loathe to say this, it was a necessary evil, but now that Pandora's box is open there is no going back.

[emmie]

not sure about that

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/the-10-largest-economies-in-the-world/

[Zeuhl]

/not sure about that /

Emmie

That website is listing individual European states e.g. it has Germany at #4 and France at #5

The EU as a bloc is the largest economy in the world

/The economy of the European Union generates a GDP of over €12.894 trillion (US$16.566 trillion in 2012)[1] according to Eurostat, which makes it the largest economy in the world/

[emmie]

i was looking at that as individual countries, not as a European super state of money.

[emmie]

after all look at the stats on Spain, it's economy, its high unemployment, particularly amongst the young, the Greeks, a basket case, Italy not far behind, Germany is the true player in all this. Trading with USA and other blocs is good, that is why Cameron and team are in China, better ties with India, Brazil, another emerging economy and more, it's looking to the future, whilst what we have with Europe as far as i can see is a retrograde step. Considering the impact it has had and continues to do on our laws, borders who we can and cannot deport seems absurd in the extreme. You can't imagine telling USA who they can and cannot get rid of if they want can you?

[Zeuhl]

China has to trade with Europe

They don't have to trade with UK

That is the trading leverage membership gives us


/You can't imagine telling USA who they can and cannot get rid of if they want can you? /

Yes actually

The parallel may be that individual states have individual laws

But have to conform to Federal Laws in certain matters

Texas and California have great diversity in their Laws; but neither can deport whoever they like

[bazwillrun]

"/As usual the splitting of hairs, pedantry etc etc is alive and well. /

That's bazzer's usual cry when people don't automatically adopt but challenge his rather 'individual' point of view "

because when people like you keep on posting the same old drivel then of course its going to get the same answer.

So, you think nobody else has the same view on the eussr and its plans and ulterior motives then.....oh of course you just like arguing so its of no interest to you

[emmie]

we couldn't tell the USA who they can have in their borders, yet we cannot boot out or keep out EU nationals who are allowed here because of an agreement made by those who seem to have absolutely no sense whatsoever. And we can and have traded with China, without the need to be involved in the EU, what makes anyone think they are the be all and end all of trade.

[Peter Pedant]

TTT - what happened about the avatar

the fluffy bunny - were they trying to holocaust it or something ?

in ehich case I would agree - clear parallel with Nazi Germany

What with Tom Daley coming out - I think this could also be the end of days....

[Zeuhl]

/oh of course you just like arguing so its of no interest to you /

Yes bazzy

but like most people on here, I have reasoning and ideas to support my arguments

You are different

You are one of the (mercifully) few ABers who just have 'a stance' on a limited number of topics; usually expressed bluntly - if not rudely- and uncluttered with anything resembling an intelligent justification, original thought or rationale.

Don't you get bored just parroting the same old clichés?