Nelson Mandela Dies.

[ferlew]

RIP.

[piggynose]

whoops wrong c+p earlier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgcTvoWjZJU

[sp1814]

The Telegraph and Indepedent have the best front pages (obv in my opinion):

http://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/front-pages.cfm

[davetuc]

Agree with others, too much gushing. Light gone out all over the world etc etc. And as others have also said, will it be the same for Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness? Should be.

[EDDIE51]

A truly great yet humble man. Unfortunately his family are far more materially minded and we are going to see a bitter fight over where he is buried. Several family members each have their own plans to make a fortune by building his 'shrine' and running it as a tourist attraction, the 'winner' will make £millions and it is going to get nasty.

[Peter Pedant]

and WASNT the same for Maggie who freed the Eastern Eurpean countries....

I will wait (for a long time) for an interivew with a Dissident
in terms of what was it like to be a dissident, against White Rule and to be locked up for so many years in a desert country ?

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

Great link that sp, I have put it in my bookmarks.

[sp1814]

AOG

Yes - newspaper websites are all well and good, but sometimes its nice to see actual front pages.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "Don't be shy to include the Daily Mail, you know they do these type of things much more better than most."

Not really AOG - Mandela's front page picture was smaller, and the sub-editors less hysterical than when comparing someone whom the Mail thinks is equally deserving of an entire cover photograph, and pages of slobbering rhetoric, and today, a section of 'photos through the ages' - yes, we are talkng about that other newsworthy statesmanlike figure and major influence on all our lives -

Nigella Lawson!!!!!

[B00]

Could've been worse Andy, according to that link by SP The Star's front page has two dolly birds in bikinis on it :-)

[Kromovaracun]

I really can't see what Margaret Thatcher had to do with the fall of the Soviet Union.

Regarding those who say Mandela didn't affect them personally - well,yes, that's true. But I don't see that that necessarily stops us from admiring statesmanship or the scale of what Mandela actually achieved. While he also changed SA, he has attained something of a global icon status. I think it's a slightly sad state of mind that only allows you to have feelings about people who directly affect you.

[sp1814]

Actually -AOG made a point earlier which I disagreed with at the time, but now I'm thinking 'Actually - he's right'.

Mandela was 95 years old.

No-one lives forever and if his quality of life had diminished to an extent that he was no longer functional...

I know that sounds cold, but at the end of the day its what he achieved in his 95 years that's important...not the specifics of his death.

[ToraToraTora]

Glad to see that there is not a repeat of the Vitriol poured forth when MrsT Died. The real hero was FW De Klerk, Mandella did well with the chance he was given.

[ToraToraTora]

If you can't see what MrsT had to do with winning the cold war then you are in denial Kromo. Historians, even lefty anti British ones, generally agree that MrsT was an effective warrior in the cold war. Did you see the recent documentary on the cold war by Dominic Sandbrook, I quote: "when Mrs Thatcher entered the Kremlin, she came as a conqueror not as a visitor, it was as if the Communists had said 'OK you win'"

[bazwillrun]

"sp...right of course, but our more rabid ABers haven't surfaced yet, so the worse is yet to come perhaps ! "

care to name names...or are you too scared

Hope i'm on the list, I'd hate to be left out

As has been said by others i'm not glad hes died but at the same time he means nothing whatsover to me ...what has he done for my country ?

SA slowly going down the pan according to my SA friends

Quite funny to see all the faux "grief" from some people

Most of the foreign leaders couldnt really care less, but it looks good for their PR, theyll be queing up for a funeral invite, have to be seen to have been there

Should be showing grief for all those whos lives are cut short by incurable illness etc

stand by for all the leftie councils to start another round of naming streets and buildings after him

[ToraToraTora]

Ok I have read the above now, I am saddenned that even in the death of their saintly icon, the left cannot resist having a pop at our greatest peace time leader. Shame on you. You'll notice, I hope, that I resist the urge to come on here and do what many did on the death of MrsT. The intollerance and brutality of the left is truly astonishing.

[Kromovaracun]

"If you can't see what MrsT had to do with winning the cold war then you are in denial Kromo"

Well, I said I can't see what she had to do with the fall of the Soviet Union. And other than having an antagonistic attitude towards the Soviet Union, I still can't. Could you please enlighten me as to what Thatcher actually did specifically to bring down the USSR?

[jim360]

In fairness to "the Left", not all of them were so heartless and cynical. A majority of the ones who did rather pathetically celebrate Thatcher's death were too young to have even been there and presumably took the words of those who did hate Thatcher too much to heart.

"I'm not glad he's dead..." You're all heart, baz.

[ichkeria]

Thatcher offered welcome moral support to those fighting peacefully against the Soviet Union but the idea that she was responsible for it is wide of the mark.

One or two interesting Twitterisms from a couple of famous people about Mandela: a shameful one from Louise Mensch and a predictably hilarious one from Paris Hilton thanking him for his 'I Have A Dream' speech!

[ToraToraTora]

doesn't matter what I say kromo, you'll just poo poo it as innefectual as you have made your mind up.

[youngmafbog]

Kromo, you would not see it if hit hit you square in the face. Have a read (if none lefty liberal) material and you might see. But I bet you wont becasue you wont like what you find.

As for Mr Mandela, he had a good innings that perhaps made up for his incarceration. He did achieve things but it was not just him by a long chalk. It would have been easy for FW to have 'got rid' if he so wished. He chose not to.

I have never understood grief for someone I dont know. Sometimes a little sadness but that is all.