Should Only Take A Couple Of Minutes

[ChillDoubt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25448658

[Gromit]

If they stretch it until noon, they will get fed and drinks. I'd deliberate for a few minutes and give the verdict after they have troughed.

[sandyRoe]

Do they do a decent lunch in the jury room?

[Hopkirk]

We got sandwiches, but it was a long time ago for me.

I'ld love another go.

[aelmpvw]

they wanted to die as martyrs ... they'll probably get their wish in jail

[sandyRoe]

They'll probably serve their time in the company of their fellow Jihadists. They'll have a lifetime to consider their crime and their stupidity.

[ChillDoubt]

they wanted to die as martyrs ... they'll probably get their wish in jail
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Hope springs eternal......

[douglas9401]

David Gottlieb's a piece of work.

[sandyRoe]

He was only doing his job. It would be a bad day for justice if the defence lawyer told the jury he thought his client was guilty and deserved locking up.

[bazwillrun]

"They'll probably serve their time in the company of their fellow Jihadists."

yeah, getting their every whim catered for on religious grounds..dont want to be slapped down by the ECHR do we !?

feed them ham sandwiches every day, theyll soon get used to them

[bazwillrun]

"It would be a bad day for justice if the defence lawyer told the jury he thought his client was guilty and deserved locking up. "

that would be interesting...the defence lawyers excuse on his clients behalf to try and justify what they did

[mikey4444]

I'm not sure how this trial has gone on for as long as it has. Although they pleaded not guilty, one of them explained in great detail how and why they murdered Rigby. As those two things contradicted each other, could not the Judge have stopped the trial and entered a plea of guilty on their behalf ?

[sp1814]

I saw a headline that they didn't actually offer up a defence.

[LazyGun]

Their defence was simple enough; They were "soldiers of allah", acting on the orders of allah, in a war with the west over the deaths of muslims, and this was retaliatory retribution as an act of war.

The judge pointed out in his summary that this did not constitute a legitimate defence under UK law, and he is correct. It was murder, and I am pretty confident that is what the jury will find, too.

[mikey4444]

There is no doubt whatsoever that the jury will find them guilty. My point is that as soon as one of them admitted in court that he had killed Rigby, the Judge should have been able to stop the trial and sentence him with immediate effect, instead of putting Rigby's family hell and costing the tax payer £1000's. It seems a very strange justice system that allows a person who has admitted his guilt to please not guilty.

[sandyRoe]

Imagine a case of assisted suicide. Someone there might say I did it but I'm not guilty of a crime. People have a right to be heard in court.

[mikey4444]

I understand sandy but one of these horrible men admitted in court that he had actually killed Rigby, quite early in the proceedings as I remember. He had a right to be heard in court, to use your words. But he used that opportunity to admit his guilt, thus changing his stance from his earlier submission of "not guilty" He can't have his cake and eat too !

Why could the Judge not be allowed to stop the trial and sentence him ?
If he had submitted an initial plea of guilty, that is what would have happened, as it did when Stuart Hall changed his please. By admitting in court that he DID kill Rigby, hasn't he done the same thing ?

Is Fred here today to explain the points of law ?

[LazyGun]

@ Mikey The have not confessed to murder, or changed their plea to guilty. If they had, that would have brought the trial to a halt.

Instead, they admit to killing, but not murder, and their defence is that it was an act of war, so the trial goes on ,the evidence is heard, the various statements are made, the judge summarises, and the jury consider their verdict.

Of course it was murder- a vile, brutal and heinous act. But they are entitled under our legal system to make a case.

[Ric.ror]

Just suppose it had come back Not Guilty - how annoyed would they be?

[belrec]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25450555

Looks like justice was served in only 90 mins

[mikey4444]

I suppose you are right LG. Its just that the evidence that was given in court was so brutal, that I would have preferred Rigby's family hadn't had to go through it. Not just the family...think about those 12 people on the Jury.

I was on a Jury a few years ago, where the circumstances of a death was explained in minute detail. We were also shown very graphic pictures. I took me a long time to recover from the event. Even now, every time I drive past the Court, I can remember those horrible details.

Still... that is our Justice system....not perfect but better than some places around the world.