I'm Not The Brightess

[ivor4781]

but why do they need a jury to deliberate whether these two muslim were guilty of murder
it was witnessed by dozens and recorded, how could they not be

[wiltsman]

It's called British Justice. Thank goodness.

[Jan1957]

They pleaded not guilty!

[Mamyalynne]

The process of Law, the Jury have to be seen as giving suitable consideration to their verdict.

[Zacs-Master]

Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of LAW.

[askyourgran]

An eye for an eye he said, I hope someone does the 'justice' in jail for both of them.

[ivor4781]

yes but it said it took 90 mins to get the guilty verdict ? that what i cant understand

[tonyav]

Probably drinking coffee and having a natter, ivor.

[Mamyalynne]

I believe there are rules about how soon they can return from the Jury room.

[tonyav]

Thats true, Mamya. Well there was when I did jury service anyway, thats why I say that they were most likely drinking cups of coffee and having a natter.

[naomi24]

They admitted they killed him, but they see themselves as 'Soldiers of Allah', and so in their opinion it was not 'murder' but an act of war - hence the plea of 'not guilty to murder'.

[Zacs-Master]

Anyway, don't worry they will have a very long time to reflect on their actions and I for one am happy to pay for their incarceration.

[Jeza]

I thought they admitted killing him but said it was not murder as they were soldiers of Allah.

[THECORBYLOON]

The two accused were facing charges of attempted murder in addition to the murder charge so the jury had to consider those charges and the two were found not guilty of attempted murder.

[grumpy01]

Met Police marksman could have saved the country millions.

[Peter Pedant]

yeah they took 90 minutes to decide he was guilty

so what did they spend the other 89 minutes doing ?


In a jury trial - all the serious crime trials - you have a jury and they decide guilt. Actually they found the not guilty on one count (conspiracy to murder policemen ) so it wasnt that straightforward

[grumpy01]

Sorry,I should have typed Met Police Shiuld have saved the country millions.

[grumpy01]

Sorry that's Should

[naomi24]

The charge of conspiracy to murder a policeman was dropped, so it wasn't something the jury were required to consider. I imagine they would have had to decide whether this was 'murder' or an 'act of war', as the accused claimed.

[THECORBYLOON]

The conspiracy charge was dropped but the attempted murder charge was not.

[sp1814]

ivor4781

Buried in another thread on this subject, someone (sorry can't remember who) said that a jury cannot spend less than one hour deliberating.

That leaves 30 minutes, which is time yo file out of the room, take instruction, elect a foreman, vote, then file back in.

Regarding why they were tried when the evidence was for all toq see - well, that's the British judicial system. All the evidence has to be heard for the judge to weigh up and decide on a sentence.