Retail Apartheid?

[mushroom25]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2527820/Marks-Spencer-tells-Muslim-staff-CAN-refuse-serve-customers-buying-alcohol-pork.html

Good Idea?

[dannyk13]

How do Muslims manage in the off-licence shops that they own or run?

[emmie]

Gromit, M&S and customer service has gone the way of the dodo, pretty much like most retail outlets, very few give good customer service, assistants chatting on the shop floor, ignored on asking a question, can't find that item, too bad, can't find the size, go look on line is the one trotted out now. Supermarkets are no different, there are one or two exceptions, but by and large customer service is an oxymoron

[emmie]

no idea, but perhaps one should ask all the corner shops, restaurants, bars, run by Muslims, if Anjem Choudary had his way they wouldn't be selling alcohol at all. Lets hope he goes away to somewhere sunny soon... Saudi will do

[boxtops]

Once again, the question of moderation should come into this. The Muslims running the corner shops may well be moderates, not extremists, or even non-practising (I know many of these) - and although they don't drink themselves, they see no problem in handing alcohol to other people, they're not being asked to drink it themselves. Everyone practices (or not) according to their own conscience - my Jewish friends eat bacon sandwiches, some of my Muslim friends drink. It's the extremists and the whipper-uppers who try to inflict their perception of the "rules" on the rank and file, everyone else follows their own conscience, IMO.

[emmie]

sadly it can be the one or two, who can turn events on their heads.

[boxtops]

Absolutely, emmie - and who get the most press coverage, and give a bad name to all the rest of them who are not remotely involved.

[naomi24]

Religious people are entitled to think and do what they like - but they are not entitled to think or do anything that affects other people. Their rights end where mine begin.

[boxtops]

Nicely put, naomi!

[emmie]

Naomi, but they do affect us, if some believe that they cannot sell pork in their shops, and only halal meats, that means they are telling others that their religious beliefs count, not mine. If i can't find a butchers that sells pork or pork products, then i am being discriminated against. London is getting that way, of course you can still buy pork in a few butchers, and the supermarkets, it just means i have to go much further afield, unheard of in a big city.
Every market i know has mostly halal butchers, our local ones shut yonks ago. I never ever bought meat from supermarkets, on principle i bought from the local butchers, now i don't, can't.

[emmie]

i am not trying to make a point, just saying that one is facing some form of discrimination, all these are halal only, and i don't want to buy on principle.
and it's no good those saying well most butchers aren't too fussed about how the animal is killed, well i hope that is not the case.
http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/directory/1310.php

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I wonder if our Gromit did actually fight the Nazis? ///

/// No I doubt if he actually lived through those times. well I did and I can only be extremely thankful that the likes of him wasn't around during that time. ///

All that research and you haven't proven a thing.

/// Kromovaracun 09:57 Mon 11th Nov 2013
AOG, did you fight the Nazis? ///

/// sp1814 11:22 Mon 11th Nov 2013
- so what regiment did you fight in during WWII? ///

Did I fight the Nazis or didn't I, what regiment was I in? LOL.?

/// Zeuhl 12:38 Mon 11th Nov 2013
So no denial then - just weasely evasion ///

Oh how annoyed some get when they can't find anything out.

/// aog would need to be at least 86 years of age in order to have taken an active part in WW2 ///

That's true.

/// If he is, and did; why not say so? ///

That is what you have got to find out, guess all you like, never divulge personal information, that is my policy.

[Kromovaracun]

Cool. I'll assume you didn't then.

[anotheoldgit]

Kromovaracun

Try a different bait Kromo, you still have nothing in your keep net.

[jim360]

For someone who makes a big fuss about people he seems to think would not have fought in 1939, it's bizarre that you don't want to reveal whether or not you did yourself. This isn't bait, I don't particularly care one way or the other, so long as you stop banging on about what other people might or might not have done had they been born 50+ years earlier than they actually were. If you didn't fight yourself, then that makes you a bit hypocritical, no? And if you did fight, then we should be grateful for your efforts and those of your comrades. Either way, give up making such a big point of it if you aren't going to tell us what your actual role was.

[Kromovaracun]

"Try a different bait Kromo, you still have nothing in your keep net."

Maybe another time, when it isn't Christmas Eve ;)

[mushroom25]

//Supermarkets are no different, there are one or two exceptions, but by and large customer service is an oxymoron //

have just returned from asda, bought cakes "reduced to £1" - except that they weren't, when scanned they were £2. do supermarkets think we're too stupid to notice and believe they can slip stuff like this past us? oh, they refused to sell the cakes in the end, presumably so they can sucker someone else with it.

[naomi24]

What does this have to do with the war?

[FredPuli43]

AOG, was in the RAF. I don't think anyone is signed up to the RAF on the basis they are strictly non-combatant ! The only question is when he served, if we are talking about fighting Nazis as a specific enemy.To be, say, 18 on January the 1st, 1946, you'd be born in 1928 and thus 85 now. Does that help?

[THECORBYLOON]

He was in the RAF in 1956 so if that were National Service, he could have been born in 1939.

[Hypognosis]

//Religious people are entitled to think and do what they like - but they are not entitled to think or do anything that affects other people. Their rights end where mine begin. //

Hear! Hear!

...can anyone hear the sound of ECHR biros taking notes at this point?

Me neither.