New Arch Bishop...think It Through!

[ToraToraTora]

It seems we should all emulate Saint Mandella,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25566299
I assume he doesn't mean the terrorism bits.

[emmie]

the peaceful bit perhaps. Good that apartheid was finally run out of town,
however the country has a very dodgy man in charge currently, and no where near stable enough...

[Zeuhl]

Mandela was never a terrorist

Perhaps T3 should stop trying to spread nasty lies about someone responsible for saving many lives through peaceful transition and reconciliation

[emmie]

there does seem evidence to suggest that he was,
some won't believe it because they don't want to. It divides people because they don't want to think ill of a man who led his people, and was not bitter over his incarceration, which i must say a remarkable thing.

[Zeuhl]

What evidence emmie?

Let's have it

My understanding is that after years of legal and political attempts at reform he subscribed to a strategy of sabotage to state assets with emphasis on not endangering life.

Which definition of terrorism do you think that fits?

[bazwillrun]

"Mandela was never a terrorist "

hahahahaha

its pizzing down with rain, its dark, its horrible, but I stiill can get a laugh from one of the boards resident comics

[emmie]

sorry but i am not getting into this again, the last time someone did a thread on Mandela it went on and on. I provided a number of links, but they were disregarded, pooh poohed, it's not the first time that his name crops up with terrorism attached, however if others want to take up the cudgel then do so please.

[bazwillrun]

"and was not bitter over his incarceration"

just because he said he wasnt doesnt mean it is so.

and i'm sure zeuhl will show us where he renounced and spoke out against the violence that killed dozens of innocent members of the public caused by bombings in places specifically meant to kill innocent people

[emmie]

if he was i am sure that would have surfaced immediately, in ways such as shunning those who did it, and telling all the whites they could leave, which he didn't.

[Zeuhl]

Real contributors to a discussion bring facts and reasoned argument

Sadly, bazwilrun is incapable of making an adult contribution
Witness his embarrassing performance on yesterday's 'movie poster' thread

[Zeuhl]

/ the violence that killed dozens of innocent members of the public caused by bombings in places specifically meant to kill innocent people/

I suppose if one's mind is rabid enough one can imagine Mandela organised, planned and carried these out from his solitary confinement cell on Robben Island

[emmie]

so you don't think that prisoners can get messages out, wherever they are... kingpins can run drug cartels from prisons, you can get whatever you want in most prisons i suspect, and not just in Britain, America,
but that was before hand, but as i said i did this to death before.
and was roundly boooeedd

[whiskeryron]

It is of course a matter of opinion. Nelson Mandella was a Terrorist or Freedom Fighter it depends on your point of view. The troubles in Northern Island were caused by Terrorists or Freedom Fighters it depends on your point of view. When our troops invaded Iraq who were the terrorists ? it depends on your point of view.

WR.

[woofgang]

Well the beeb seem to think he had his moments setting up the violent arm of the ANC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/people/nelson_mandela

...as did Winnie
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_report/1997/the_winnie_mandela_trial/33659.stm

[emmie]

it was perfectly possible,

http://solitarywatch.com/2013/12/07/mandela-solitary/

[emmie]

as did Winnie as you say, her and her boys, that mustn't have been much fun having burning necklaces of tyres stuck around your body, and being set alight, and that wasn't white folks was it. That country is now in a state, and the incumbent has as much scandal hanging around him as did those poor souls who suffered at the hands of Mrs Mandela

[ChillDoubt]

Interesting article here:

http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

[emmie]

whiskey, and is Ireland any more settled, happy, free, are the peoples of Ireland united, work, play as one, answers on a postcard.

[emmie]

chill, that link is one i provided on another thread, when he died, the subject came up, i had found various links to his links to terrorism, call it what you will, but many won't, don't want to believe it, no more would they that Gandhi wasn't a saint.

[ToraToraTora]

Even Mandela himself pleaded guilty to 156 acts of violence at his trial:
http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/

He is indirectly responsible for 194 deaths, that's a well known fact .

I'm sorry if you find the the truth unpalatable, zeuhl.

[ChillDoubt]

Apologies emmie, didn't see the other thread.