Words That Apparently Have Come Back To Haunt Us.

[anotheoldgit]

/// ‘The indigenous population found themselves made strangers in their own country, their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, their homes and neighbourhoods changed beyond recognition.’ ///

A recent statement made by someone who agrees that mass immigration on the scale that we have witnessed it in this country creates many problem?

No, it was part of Enoch Powell's controversial speech 1968 "Rivers of Blood"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534353/Basic-principle-Enochs-Rivers-Blood-speech-right-says-Nigel-Farage.html

[Saki]

2014.......same old same old.....yawn!

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2534366/BBC-accused-bias-immigration-political-editor-Nick-Robinson-says-Corporation-terrible-mistakes-not-reflecting-publics-concerns.html

[Bazile]

//their wives unable to obtain hospital beds in childbirth, their children unable to obtain school places, //

Where is this happening then , Kensington and Chelsea ?

[jomifl]

That would be the 'rivers of blood' speech where he never said 'rivers of blood'

[ichkeria]

Yes he claims to see the Tiber foaming with much blood. That was nonsense then and it's nonsense now. And Farage was apparently unaware of, and rather embarrassed by, the reference to that speech. It's a comparison of mind sets not realities. People naturally fear the unknown and change particularly in times of hardship but it is time politicians of all responsible parties stopped pandering to it for political gain

[jake-the-peg]

As I recall it was the one in 1968 where it was claimed

"In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man."

Yet 40 years on we have so few Black Britons in positions of power

Funny really

[anotheoldgit]

jake-the-peg

You do not have to be in power to hold the whip hand.

[LazyGun]

@ AoG Err, it kind of does

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/have+the+whip+hand

[clivebeca]

There is a tremendous amount of hypocrisy on this subject, we as a Nation can always quote history [if it suits us]. I've mentioned this before, in another, but the same context. Watch the John Pilger programmes on "The Rabbit Fence" and "Utopia". We, the 'white men' did this, we are about to destroy an indigenous population [in Australia], or continue to treat them as nothing more/less than animals. We must learn to co-exist on this fragile planet. That goes for Christians and Islamists, and other Religions. "When will we ever learn".

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

/// to be the person or group that has the most power in a situation ///

Think about it?

[LazyGun]

I did think about it. Holding the whip hands implies being in the position of power.

Enoch said this
""In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.""

On what evidence today can you demonstrate that the black man has the whip hand over the white man? Do we have a largely black national legislative assembly? errmm, no. Do we have a largely black police/military force? ermm, no. Do we have a largely black civil service? Ermm, no. Do we have a largely black anything at all, in this country? Ermm no.

So how does Enochs prediction make sense? Can you explain to me in what sense the black man holds the whip hand over the white man in the UK in 2014?

[anotheoldgit]

Chewn

/// Other than that Enoch was spot on. ///

Oh really? that is interesting, here is the full text of his speech..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

[FredPuli43]

Thybrum multo spumantem sanguine cerno" ; if only Powell had left it in "the decent obscurity of an ancient tongue"; those are the words of the priestess and prophetess, the Sibyl of Cernae, telling Aeneas what kind of battles with the native Italians he should expect before he could establish a multi-cultural city, Rome: "I see the Tiber foaming with blood".

The future predicted in this great work of fiction, the Aeneid, never came to pass then, and they haven't, by transposition, come to pass here.

[anotheoldgit]

LazyGun

/// Can you explain to me in what sense the black man holds the whip hand over the white man in the UK in 2014? ///

Not necessarily the black man, see my thread above, which interesting to note nobody has yet commented on.

[LazyGun]

@AoG Rather than refer me to another thread, why don't you justify this statement of yours in this thread?

"You do not have to be in power to hold the whip hand."

How, precisely, does the black man hold power over the white man in the UK in 2014?

Or is this in your imagination again?

[anotheoldgit]

FredPuli43

/// The future predicted in this great work of fiction, the Aeneid, never came to pass then, and they haven't, by transposition, come to pass
here. ///

Can't see any mention in the speech about 'rivers of blood' but even so I agree that terminology is rather stretching the point, or has ever materialised, but we can definitely say 'streets of blood'.

[Baldric]

//see my thread above, which interesting to note nobody has yet commented on.//

Do you possibly mean Post rather than Thread, or have you posted something relevant in another thread?

[FredPuli43]

Which thread, AOG ? The one about Nick Robinson ? It may well be that the BBC has not given enough prominence to the fears ("concerns"), unfounded or not, of a section of the population. It may take its duty as a responsible broadcaster too seriously.

[LazyGun]

@Baldric / Fred

AoG thinks that the DM story he linked to in the thread above this one (Senior Met Officer.....) about Baroness Lawrence expressing her fury over some proposed staff changes to the dedicated murder investigation team implies that "the black man holds the whip hand over the white man" as Enoch foretold back in the 70s or whenever.

Of course it doesn't, but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good narrative, eh?