The Changing Face Of Britain

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2545563/Two-faces-Benefits-Street-No-drugs-no-drunks-no-crime-no-foul-language-Now-hard-working-communitys-turned-moral-cesspit-say-families-raised-prouder-age.html

What or who is responsible for the vast change that we now see today compared to the Britain of the 50s?

[New Judge]

“We live in a democracy;”

No we do not, bhg. We live in an elected dictatorship. Based on what they promise we elect MPs every five years. They choose a cabinet of ministers who proceed to do precisely as they like until a few months prior to the next election, when the promises begin again.

“…if we can't be bothered to read manifestos and can't be bothered to vote, do we deserve what comes to us?”

Show me substantial differences in the manifestos of the main parties which would have led to a different outcome to that described by AOG.

Many things have led to these changes but high among them must be the “non-judgemental” attitude today. Many people need to have their actions judged and commented upon (and preferably curtailed) when they behave in ways contrary to the public good. Showering money and gifts on the feckless (so, by implication, supporting their habits) does them no good and, more importantly, does nobody else (particularly those who are paying for it) no good either.

[DrFilth]

i agree with steve and i think those that do not see the way this country has gone down hill have had their eyes closed.

when i was working in the seventies on 12 1/2 shifts i had the money to go out and buy drinks and go for a curry even in them days there was a few who had no job for a period of time and would buy 1 drink and a few tabs this would put them on a different planet for the night

notice the difference working and drinking out of work 1 drink and a few tabs

same thing happens today only on a much larger scale

[boxtops]

The fact that some people have never had a job and never will, surely contributes to the laissez-faire attitude in many, who see it as their rights to live off public benefits. The lowering of standards in behaviour, IMO, is partly because people (police, teachers) can no longer remonstrate with hooligans without a parent descending on them saying their "rights". People who've never worked so don't have employment T&C learn no self-discipline (many many only semi-literate due to messing about at school) and feel anything is theirs for the taking. The celeb culture recently has a lot to do with it, too, see your favourite footballer or showbiz star behaving like a pudding and you think it's OK to do that too. I don't know what we do to redeem the standards that were common when we were born.

[Zacs-Master]

I quoted what you wrote.

[DrFilth]

gone the same way in madchester steve all the big factories shut down no wonder people buy duty free baccy picked up a packet of parkies in asda and nearly had a heart attack £8-46 for 20 cigs

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=nlpoax&;s=5#.UuPS0bTFIl0

[Zacs-Master]

So who else are the government supposed to tax, if not their own people?

[Zacs-Master]

Eh?

[DrFilth]

steve pack of 20 , will not be buying another pack , going to try one on these new e cigs

everything is digital these days -)


http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=21bq9vd&s=5#.UuPWOLTFIl0

[Zacs-Master]

Ah, right. It was the 'to the hilt' comment which had me believing you weren't happy with the situation.

[stewey]

Slightly off topic: this is the way we used to dress for a trip to the sea-side in the "good old days". I think it's Blackpool, but I'm not sure...That's me with me 'at on:)

[stewey]

http://i41.tinypic.com/11ux4de.jpg

[LazyGun]

@NJ So, redefining dictionary definitions of a democracy now, are we?

We do live in a democracy, and we have a choice of political parties to choose from - just because, in those particular areas that grind your particular gears you decide that their is little difference between the parties says more about you than it does about the political parties themselves - although I will agree with you that party ideologies have narrowed and coalesced around a centrist platform in recent decades.

As to this nonsense about not being able to speak your mind - we have never been freer to speak our minds, but the right to speak your mind comes with some obligations too. Only a child thinks they should be able to do anything, say anything, without fear of consequence.