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Another Tory Rebellion - Cameron Saved By Lefties
David Cameron was humiliated in parliament last night by a rebellion of his own MPs. A motion by a back bench MP attracted 85 rebels to defy the party. The motion was easily beaten but only after Cameron was forced to allow Conservative MPs to abstain in the vote. Which actually means all the Conservative MP didn't support Cameron.
Earlier in the day, the home secretary told them proposals in the motion were against the law. It was that which swayed Labour to vote against the motion. The motion was defeated by Labour and LibDem votes. The Conservatives abstained and 85 rebelled and voted for the motion. Cameron abstained on his own policy??
It was a timely illustration of just how weak Cameron his. How his leadership is undermined. When the EU Referendum charade collapses Cameron can expect more decent from the ranks, and then there is the inevitable drubbing in the European elections to look forward to.
Not an ideal situation a year before a general election.
Don't take my word for it, here is the Daily Telegraph's spin on it
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Will Tory splits and rebellions cost them the election?
Earlier in the day, the home secretary told them proposals in the motion were against the law. It was that which swayed Labour to vote against the motion. The motion was defeated by Labour and LibDem votes. The Conservatives abstained and 85 rebelled and voted for the motion. Cameron abstained on his own policy??
It was a timely illustration of just how weak Cameron his. How his leadership is undermined. When the EU Referendum charade collapses Cameron can expect more decent from the ranks, and then there is the inevitable drubbing in the European elections to look forward to.
Not an ideal situation a year before a general election.
Don't take my word for it, here is the Daily Telegraph's spin on it
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Will Tory splits and rebellions cost them the election?
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// Labour and the Lib Dems killed off a perfectly reasonable effort to increase protection for law-abiding British citizens //
Which was illegal. Labour had considered abstaining as they really didn't want to help Cameron, and a defeat for him would have been politically more damaging and advantagous to them. But when the advice came that the proposal was illegal, the responsible thing to do was to vote against it. So that is what they did.
Which was illegal. Labour had considered abstaining as they really didn't want to help Cameron, and a defeat for him would have been politically more damaging and advantagous to them. But when the advice came that the proposal was illegal, the responsible thing to do was to vote against it. So that is what they did.
The bottom line is Labour supports ordinary criminals and terrorists using 'their human rights ' as an excuse to escape justice.
Throwing in your usual wriggle Gromit about Churchill in 1951 doesn't alter the fact Labour is not prepared to stand up for the UK. It's time we showed some backbone. We are living in a totally different world now, to the one of 1951. We are living in a world where criminals of all types are using our out dated HR legislation against us . How many more of us are going to suffer before the bleeding hearts of the Lib/Labs are prepared to stand up for the Brits . Heaven help us if the next coalition is a Lib/Lab.
What makes it even worse had the bill been passed it would not have become law , it would have had to jump through many hoops before that.
But it would have sent a strong signal to Europe that we are serious about requiring change.
However Labour couldn't even go that far . Pathetic !
Throwing in your usual wriggle Gromit about Churchill in 1951 doesn't alter the fact Labour is not prepared to stand up for the UK. It's time we showed some backbone. We are living in a totally different world now, to the one of 1951. We are living in a world where criminals of all types are using our out dated HR legislation against us . How many more of us are going to suffer before the bleeding hearts of the Lib/Labs are prepared to stand up for the Brits . Heaven help us if the next coalition is a Lib/Lab.
What makes it even worse had the bill been passed it would not have become law , it would have had to jump through many hoops before that.
But it would have sent a strong signal to Europe that we are serious about requiring change.
However Labour couldn't even go that far . Pathetic !
MICKY // If this continues, support for the Tories will just ebb away //
Where to micky ? Certainly not to Labour and their mates e.g. Kinnock and Blair who have got their families into posh jobs in the EU . They aren't going to stand up for us. The Libs never had, and Cleggy has set his sights on a EU Commissioner's job.
Where to micky ? Certainly not to Labour and their mates e.g. Kinnock and Blair who have got their families into posh jobs in the EU . They aren't going to stand up for us. The Libs never had, and Cleggy has set his sights on a EU Commissioner's job.
Modeller...perhaps you ought to see this latest Poll, published today ::
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Quite clearly the support is going to Labour. It isn't going to the Libdems and its most certainly going to bl00dy UKIP. You might not like it and probably don't, but its there in black and white. By the way, both Kinnock and Blair are no longer active in Labour party politics. Also, can I remind you that Blair won three consecutive elections for the Labour party. Another inconvenient truth but true none the less !
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Quite clearly the support is going to Labour. It isn't going to the Libdems and its most certainly going to bl00dy UKIP. You might not like it and probably don't, but its there in black and white. By the way, both Kinnock and Blair are no longer active in Labour party politics. Also, can I remind you that Blair won three consecutive elections for the Labour party. Another inconvenient truth but true none the less !
micky //By the way, both Kinnock and Blair are no longer active in Labour party politics//
I know , that's the point , they are creaming it up elsewhere and won't be supporting this country.
//Also, can I remind you that Blair won three consecutive elections for the Labour party.//
Yes precisely ! and he bailed out when he saw everything was going bust and let Brown pick up the pieces.
I know , that's the point , they are creaming it up elsewhere and won't be supporting this country.
//Also, can I remind you that Blair won three consecutive elections for the Labour party.//
Yes precisely ! and he bailed out when he saw everything was going bust and let Brown pick up the pieces.
Modeller
// Where to micky ? Certainly not to Labour and their mates e.g. Kinnock and Blair who have got their families into posh jobs in the EU . They aren't going to stand up for us. The Libs never had, and Cleggy has set his sights on a EU Commissioner's job. //
Both Cameron and Osborne have said they will campaign and vote to stay in the EU. As well as many other Conservative MPs. They were against this Bill, though they didn't have the bottle to stand up against it, so as to not anger the rebels anymore. Pathetic.
// Where to micky ? Certainly not to Labour and their mates e.g. Kinnock and Blair who have got their families into posh jobs in the EU . They aren't going to stand up for us. The Libs never had, and Cleggy has set his sights on a EU Commissioner's job. //
Both Cameron and Osborne have said they will campaign and vote to stay in the EU. As well as many other Conservative MPs. They were against this Bill, though they didn't have the bottle to stand up against it, so as to not anger the rebels anymore. Pathetic.
Modeller...not sure how to define a pleb, but my dictionary defines it as such ::
"an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes"
Well, I guess that is me as well then ! Although failing the 11 plus 50 years ago, I managed to get a reasonable education and have done quite well for myself, despite not going to University. No shame in that, as I am sure you will agree. But the flat cap and whippet days of the old Labour Party are long behind us, so we plebs must look around to see what is left to support.
This pleb could never vote Tory, not in a million years. The Lib Dems are just too wishy-washy to consider, especially after their pact with the Devil in 2010. UKIP are just a running joke, although we appreciate them for their comedic output. The Greens are a small pressure group, with a too narrow range of policies.
So where does that leave us Plebs ? All parties are tending towards the middle these days and the only alternative to rampant Tory rule is the Labour Party, warts and all. Labour isn't perfect but it is the only alternative to dave and Co.
Of course you could abstain from voting altogether but where would that leave you ? Sniping and whinging from the undergrowth, but not getting involved ?
Who said life was supposed to be easy ?
"an ordinary person, especially one from the lower social classes"
Well, I guess that is me as well then ! Although failing the 11 plus 50 years ago, I managed to get a reasonable education and have done quite well for myself, despite not going to University. No shame in that, as I am sure you will agree. But the flat cap and whippet days of the old Labour Party are long behind us, so we plebs must look around to see what is left to support.
This pleb could never vote Tory, not in a million years. The Lib Dems are just too wishy-washy to consider, especially after their pact with the Devil in 2010. UKIP are just a running joke, although we appreciate them for their comedic output. The Greens are a small pressure group, with a too narrow range of policies.
So where does that leave us Plebs ? All parties are tending towards the middle these days and the only alternative to rampant Tory rule is the Labour Party, warts and all. Labour isn't perfect but it is the only alternative to dave and Co.
Of course you could abstain from voting altogether but where would that leave you ? Sniping and whinging from the undergrowth, but not getting involved ?
Who said life was supposed to be easy ?
Perhaps there aren't enough plebs, or not enough who vote. That would explain why 'new Labour' tacked away from the old party and the left , to such an extent that my then wife, a Tory candidate, could tell a selection committee that the only embarrassing fact about herself was that she was now to the left of Tony Blair.
It could just be that the remark of the old King, that "we are all middle class now" has come to be very nearly true. The battle is over the middle and its intentions and wishes. It remains a mystery how anyone could dismiss voting for another party, be that Tory or Labour, in terms suggesting that they'd be a class traitor in doing so; they could never bring themselves to do it (and I speak as a person who would normally vote Tory but who once voted for Ken Livingstone. Doing so seemed to make more sense than not).
The biggest danger to Ed Milliband is that he will be perceived as old Labour reincarnate.
It could just be that the remark of the old King, that "we are all middle class now" has come to be very nearly true. The battle is over the middle and its intentions and wishes. It remains a mystery how anyone could dismiss voting for another party, be that Tory or Labour, in terms suggesting that they'd be a class traitor in doing so; they could never bring themselves to do it (and I speak as a person who would normally vote Tory but who once voted for Ken Livingstone. Doing so seemed to make more sense than not).
The biggest danger to Ed Milliband is that he will be perceived as old Labour reincarnate.
Your last sentence is intriguing Fred !
I am old Labour, rather than New Labour and am not ashamed to be so. But this link from the BBC News Website rather points to the fact that Red Ed isn't really terribly red these days ::
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I am old Labour, rather than New Labour and am not ashamed to be so. But this link from the BBC News Website rather points to the fact that Red Ed isn't really terribly red these days ::
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mikey, I don't think that's turning away from old Labour or from being what the Tory press calls 'red' ,as much as it is trying to shake off the image of Milliband himself ,and thus the Labour party in government, being in thrall to the unions. He was elected because of the union vote, and so has work to do. That image is electoral poison for a lot of voters. Mrs T played on it years ago,and Labour has since tried to remove it.
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