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What would we do without the invention of " 'gender-neutral parenting?"
There are many points that i would like to raise here, but just 2 come to mind.
Firstly, as Max is the only child in the house, how did he indicate to his parents that he preferred a tutu and little girls dresses or were they already by some magic, already at hand.
No, his parents introduced them to him....nurture....not nature.
Secondly.
She adds: ‘It doesn’t matter if he’s homosexual, bisexual, transsexual or asexual as far as I’m concerned. I didn’t give birth to him to say “I’m only going to love you if you’re this way”. I love him for who he is.’
If course, there is the possibility that he could be........"heterosexual."
That child will grow up being GAY...
What would we do without the invention of " 'gender-neutral parenting?"
There are many points that i would like to raise here, but just 2 come to mind.
Firstly, as Max is the only child in the house, how did he indicate to his parents that he preferred a tutu and little girls dresses or were they already by some magic, already at hand.
No, his parents introduced them to him....nurture....not nature.
Secondly.
She adds: ‘It doesn’t matter if he’s homosexual, bisexual, transsexual or asexual as far as I’m concerned. I didn’t give birth to him to say “I’m only going to love you if you’re this way”. I love him for who he is.’
If course, there is the possibility that he could be........"heterosexual."
That child will grow up being GAY...
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Have they not done the same with their other two children? Just experimenting with this one?
I don't believe it will change his sexuality- I think you're born with that, but he'll certainly have a lot more challenges and prejudices to overcome. It's cruel to use your child that way, in my opinion.
I have sons and daughters, so have traditionally male and female toys in the house. I have never worried about who plays with which, but they have still gone for "traditional". My oldest daughter was often described as a tomboy, and although still very active, is into babies and animals, with no interest in "boys' things".
I also worked at a preschool for a few years. When the children had free play, they nearly always went for "traditional" toys and games. Occasionally, you would see a 2 year old boy pushing a pushchair around, but not by the time they were 4.
Girls and boys are naturally different- and society has always known that. Whose benefit is this for?
I don't believe it will change his sexuality- I think you're born with that, but he'll certainly have a lot more challenges and prejudices to overcome. It's cruel to use your child that way, in my opinion.
I have sons and daughters, so have traditionally male and female toys in the house. I have never worried about who plays with which, but they have still gone for "traditional". My oldest daughter was often described as a tomboy, and although still very active, is into babies and animals, with no interest in "boys' things".
I also worked at a preschool for a few years. When the children had free play, they nearly always went for "traditional" toys and games. Occasionally, you would see a 2 year old boy pushing a pushchair around, but not by the time they were 4.
Girls and boys are naturally different- and society has always known that. Whose benefit is this for?
Didn't the child choose the tutu? Does a young child know that it's "girls clothes"?
We're going deep into gender science here. The overall result of these studies appears to be that you can't in the long run force a child to be something he or she isn't, and attempts to do so are invariably damaging. If, in that case, the parents forced Max to wear a tutu, shame on them. But, unless you were there when the tutu was actually bought, and chosen, you can't really say one way or the other, can you. Did Max point to it and indicate that he wanted it? Was it bought just in case, and taken out, along with equivalent boys' clothes, and the choice was made then?
Definitely the parents need to be careful that they aren't steering Max into choosing his clothes, behaviour and toys to be girls' stuff all the time. I'd say that we need to be careful to jump to conclusions. For us, on this site, it's unlikely to matter a jot. Anyone, though, who had the opportunity to meet Max and his family ought to be careful to jump to conclusions and voice them. That could also risk doing a lot of damage, too.
We're going deep into gender science here. The overall result of these studies appears to be that you can't in the long run force a child to be something he or she isn't, and attempts to do so are invariably damaging. If, in that case, the parents forced Max to wear a tutu, shame on them. But, unless you were there when the tutu was actually bought, and chosen, you can't really say one way or the other, can you. Did Max point to it and indicate that he wanted it? Was it bought just in case, and taken out, along with equivalent boys' clothes, and the choice was made then?
Definitely the parents need to be careful that they aren't steering Max into choosing his clothes, behaviour and toys to be girls' stuff all the time. I'd say that we need to be careful to jump to conclusions. For us, on this site, it's unlikely to matter a jot. Anyone, though, who had the opportunity to meet Max and his family ought to be careful to jump to conclusions and voice them. That could also risk doing a lot of damage, too.
Tora, have you read the thread? I did make comment from my own experience and I would suggest that it is more valid (and better english) than your own ill spelled opinion.
Pixie I take your point about your experience at preschool but of course by then the child had been raised by the parents for two years and still would have had their influence at home.
I really really do not get the link between gender and aggression though. Girls are just as capable of being tough and fighting for what they want, coping with failure and so on, maybe even more so as they will have had more practice!!
Pixie I take your point about your experience at preschool but of course by then the child had been raised by the parents for two years and still would have had their influence at home.
I really really do not get the link between gender and aggression though. Girls are just as capable of being tough and fighting for what they want, coping with failure and so on, maybe even more so as they will have had more practice!!
Is it really all that important what a child at that age plays with and wears? As long as he's happy and loved I genuinely don't believe it is.
My nearly 4 year old grandson's favourite toy is a little plastic washing machine, are any of us worried about his gender orientation? Nope!
As Max grows up, he'll get his own identity, and if that is more 'girly' things, who's to say that's wrong?
My nearly 4 year old grandson's favourite toy is a little plastic washing machine, are any of us worried about his gender orientation? Nope!
As Max grows up, he'll get his own identity, and if that is more 'girly' things, who's to say that's wrong?
Yes, that's true, woofgang and i think parents will unintentionally show approval/disapproval to what their child does, even in very subtle ways. Girls can certainly be aggressive, but it's more associated with male hormones and male brains are more competitive and risk-taking. The differences between males and females are useful and natural -not something to be altered, but worked with. I wonder if max will grow up to be more aggressive than he would have been otherwise, because he'll have a lot of conflict. Of course, we will never be able to tell.
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To me this is just a couple (of oddballs) who are experimenting with their current social ideas on a 1 year old child who could not be making choices on his own. Far better if they really cared to let him grow up a little and then accept his choices without prejudice. If it's a true quote the I agree with sqad (I think) that she seems to be saying please don't let him be heterosexual, far too boring. I don't agree that will make him grow up gay but along with the home-schooling will give him a difficult time with social interacting.
ummmm..women and girls have been appropriating mens clothes, and even mens names for years. Most women I meet these days wear trousers but I have yet to meet a chap who wears a dress that isn't a transvestite. Same with names...lots of ladies called Charlie, Bobby, Smithy etc, but no chaps yet called Mary.
This little chap is far too young to have his sexuality set by his seriously misguided parents. If he turns out to be gay, then that is wonderful for him. Gay men have a good life these days. But it has to be his choice, not his parents.
Hasn't anybody considered what will happen if he goes to school or goes out to play in a dress ?
Poor child.
This little chap is far too young to have his sexuality set by his seriously misguided parents. If he turns out to be gay, then that is wonderful for him. Gay men have a good life these days. But it has to be his choice, not his parents.
Hasn't anybody considered what will happen if he goes to school or goes out to play in a dress ?
Poor child.
So ummm, are you saying that a little boy should wear girls clothing ? What about my point regarding the almost certain bullying that he will get if this strange practise continues ?
Quote from the Mother ::: "Gender stereotypes can be so damaging. They teach little boys to be aggressive and dominant over women... It's detrimental for them and for females"
What drivel ! This smacks of the feminists chant about "All men are potential rapists "
Quote from the Mother ::: "Gender stereotypes can be so damaging. They teach little boys to be aggressive and dominant over women... It's detrimental for them and for females"
What drivel ! This smacks of the feminists chant about "All men are potential rapists "
What is going to happen when they start toilet training him ? Are they going to make him sit on the toilet if he wants a wee ? In my experience, when out and about, boys like to wee up against trees...its a boy-thing I guess.
Does anyone remember the episode where Victor Meldrew and Mrs Warboys had their feet set into the bag of concrete, and Victor needed a wee ?
Can't find it on YouTube unfortunately.
Does anyone remember the episode where Victor Meldrew and Mrs Warboys had their feet set into the bag of concrete, and Victor needed a wee ?
Can't find it on YouTube unfortunately.
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