Harriet Harman In Trouble !

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26333558

The DM may be up to its old smear tricks here but why on earth didn't Harman just admit that the PIE shouldn't have been allowed to be an associate member of the NCCL ? She was given plenty of opportunity on Newsnight but failed to do so. Even the DM is not trying to say that she is a fan of paedophilia but a simple apology would stop the DM's smear campaign dead in its tracks. I am afraid she has shot herself in the foot here.

[emmie]

not just Harman, and they still won't answer the questions put to them.
How could anyone condone sex with children.

[jim360]

Not been following the story closely enough, but I suppose that Harman's decided that attack is the best form of defence.

[grumpy01]

This certainly doesn't help in the Labour party's bid to get elected next year nor even in the Euro elections in May.I was chatting to a local councillor on the "campaign trail " the other day and he said we need a change of government.I agreed with him that we do but things like this and Ed Balls possibly at the treasury do not give people confidence to vote Labour.

[emmie]

i confess i had not heard of this organisation which was disbanded some years ago, but it's aims seem pretty bad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

[emmie]

and it's not just the Mail who have reported on this.

[mikey4444]

Morning emmie !

I agree. I have researched PIE and come up with this ::

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

A disgusting organisation, which is no longer around, for which we must be thankful. But Harman is a seasoned performer on the political stage, and I simply can't understand why she just doesn't admit the errors that the NCCL made, admittedly made before she was involved with them. A woman bordering on foolish I fear.

[mikey4444]

emmie...our posts crossed !

[emmie]

its ok,
when you read it, the idea that paedophiles think its normal to have sex, relations with little children is appalling.

[emmie]

there is some though how one verifies it, for PIE getting Labour party funding. Unless of course it's there but would take some searching

[mikey4444]

I wouldn't have thought that anybody will disagree with you there emmie.

[douglas9401]

Ms Harman has a very high opinion of herself and a belief that she's never wrong.
She gives the impression that life is theorectical, to be discussed ad nauseam over lattes.
Reality bites.

[jim360]

"...I simply can't understand why she just doesn't admit the errors that the NCCL made, admittedly made before she was involved with them." [My italics]

Surely there's the answer. It was nothing to do with her. Why should she apologise or admits that mistakes were made before her arrival at the NCCL? Strange that the Daily Mail should kick up a fuss. If, God forbid, I should become a politician, and the DM ran a story along the lines of "jim360 connected with Cambridge Spy Ring"... I'd be inclined to answer the question, "But will you admit that communism was a failed vision and that undermining the system from within was a traitorous act that helped no-one?" with "Oh bugger off, it was nothing to do with me. Go and do some proper journalism."

A bit of an extreme example, perhaps, but there are surely some parallels.

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That said, the Today Programme reports that a spokesman on her behalf has said that she "regrets any connection between [the NCCL and the PIE]" but that such connections were "Immaterial" to her work.

[mikey4444]

Breaking news....just heard on the Today program that Harman has now apologised for the involvement of the PIE with the NCCL...why on earth didn't she say that last night ?

[emmie]

this makes for disturbing reading, i can't say that what Ms Harman or the others knew, condoned, but it's pretty clear that the group PIE got away with their behaviour for years, its been investigated before, but this latest inquiry looks set to delve a lot deeper.


http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?115660-The-UK-Labour-Party-s-Paedophile-Apologists

[emmie]

apologise or not, this won't just go away now.

[mikey4444]

Jim...as I understand it, she didn't admit that the NCCL were wrong to admit the PIE as an associated Member, on Newsnight, which I have not watched yet. That is what she was asked to comment on and she steadfastly refused to do so.

She is being discussed here and in the media, because of her failure to handle the Newsnight interview effectively, thus calling into doubt her ability as a politician. She is not being accused of sympathy with the PIE and paedophilia, unless I am be much mistaken. As Emmie has pointed out, the issue of the PIE and NCCL has been in discussion by other media, such as Private Eye for a long time now, and she mucked up her opportunity to end the speculation.

[naomi24]

//"It is ironic that they're accusing me of supporting indecency in relation to children when they themselves are not above producing photographs of very young girls, titivating photographs in bikinis,//

I don’t think she should have sunk to the level of defending herself from trashy sensationalism by emulating it. That’s not what sensible people do.

[mikey4444]

Emmie...I have read your latest link and if what it contains is true, then the NCCL, now Liberty would seem to have a lot to answer for. But I would be happier if all this info came from another source, as well as the DM.

[emmie]

as i said it's not just the DM, for heaven sake stop knocking the paper,
if she had links, knew about their nefarious activities, and many obviously did then she should just say so, if she has done nothing wrong, then why apologise.

[emmie]

its says down the page that the Mail has done it's homework, and the information comes from official documents, as this is the Guardian perhaps to some it might have more credibility

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/feb/23/harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt-pie-nccl-paedophile-claims