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Should England Be And Independent Nation?
If the people who live in Scotland can vote for independence why not England?
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Are you attempting to quote from "Where Have All the Flowers Gone?"?
00:58 Tue 04th Mar 2014
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Yes, preposterous organisations.
The whole idea of devolution is ridiculous. The notion that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are individual nations that warrant their own “parliaments” is senseless. It creates conflict between the legitimate parliament of the UK and those subsidiaries in the same way as exists between national and local government. The UK is over-governed and introducing an additional layer of interfering busybodies was the last thing that should have been done. (Simply canvass the people of Wales and gain their opinion of the Welsh Assembly).
If the smaller components of the UK want independence that’s fine. Let them have it and go their own way. But whilst they are part of the UK they have no more right to or need of an “assembly” than does the West Country or East Anglia.
Hence my opinion that such organisations are preposterous.
The whole idea of devolution is ridiculous. The notion that Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are individual nations that warrant their own “parliaments” is senseless. It creates conflict between the legitimate parliament of the UK and those subsidiaries in the same way as exists between national and local government. The UK is over-governed and introducing an additional layer of interfering busybodies was the last thing that should have been done. (Simply canvass the people of Wales and gain their opinion of the Welsh Assembly).
If the smaller components of the UK want independence that’s fine. Let them have it and go their own way. But whilst they are part of the UK they have no more right to or need of an “assembly” than does the West Country or East Anglia.
Hence my opinion that such organisations are preposterous.
The question was made to represent what the people currently resident in Scotland will be asked this year.
It seems to me that devolution of the rest of the UK has effectively made the people who live in England the poor relations in the union, for instance in terms of university tuition fees and prescription charges for instance.
That being the case I felt it only right that the people who live in England should have even more right than the people who live in Scotland to vote on whether they want to continue to live in a union that takes them for granted and treats them as second class citizens in terms of their state funded entitlements, while the demands of others through their assemblies will continue to make a make a mockery of the concept of a democratic union.
It seems to me that devolution of the rest of the UK has effectively made the people who live in England the poor relations in the union, for instance in terms of university tuition fees and prescription charges for instance.
That being the case I felt it only right that the people who live in England should have even more right than the people who live in Scotland to vote on whether they want to continue to live in a union that takes them for granted and treats them as second class citizens in terms of their state funded entitlements, while the demands of others through their assemblies will continue to make a make a mockery of the concept of a democratic union.
WR...we must not get too carried away with all this talk of independence. There are a few SNP supporters that are making a disproportionate amount of noise on the subject, which if the Polls can be trusted, has yet to galvanise the greater Scottish population into agreeing with them.
In Wales where I live, there is no wish for independence at all. However, in Yorkshire of course, its different, as they have always seen themselves as some kind of independent nation within the confines of the UK ::
In Wales where I live, there is no wish for independence at all. However, in Yorkshire of course, its different, as they have always seen themselves as some kind of independent nation within the confines of the UK ::
Mikey4444
I take it your having a laugh. However it may be that you suffer from bias fixation so you cannot accept any arguments that contradict your entrenched bias, let's say you could be a die-hard supporter of Labour for instance. This means that you are incapable of responding rationally to any proposal I could put to you that there are perfectly good reasons why you should vote for one of the other parties. That's why on the whole I don't bother.
In terms of anti-Conservative bias fixation it is true there seems to be more of it North of the border than in England and this is very much exploited by the other three Scottish parties, and conflated by the SNP into an important reason why Scotland should become independent.
Yet since the end of WW2 up till 2010 and the coalition, Labour had formed 4 governments and the Conservatives 3.
If anti-Conservative bias fixation is such an important driver of Scottish opinion in favour of independence, aren't you going to look stupid if Labour win the next election.
Perhaps you should have a treaty such that you can be part of the UK when Labour are in power but independent when the Conservatives win! LOL- as in laughing out loud)!
I take it your having a laugh. However it may be that you suffer from bias fixation so you cannot accept any arguments that contradict your entrenched bias, let's say you could be a die-hard supporter of Labour for instance. This means that you are incapable of responding rationally to any proposal I could put to you that there are perfectly good reasons why you should vote for one of the other parties. That's why on the whole I don't bother.
In terms of anti-Conservative bias fixation it is true there seems to be more of it North of the border than in England and this is very much exploited by the other three Scottish parties, and conflated by the SNP into an important reason why Scotland should become independent.
Yet since the end of WW2 up till 2010 and the coalition, Labour had formed 4 governments and the Conservatives 3.
If anti-Conservative bias fixation is such an important driver of Scottish opinion in favour of independence, aren't you going to look stupid if Labour win the next election.
Perhaps you should have a treaty such that you can be part of the UK when Labour are in power but independent when the Conservatives win! LOL- as in laughing out loud)!
Imagine a world with one common currency, one rate of taxation , one standard of education and social and health provision, one global minimum wage and one global administration. That is what I want. Yes you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one as JL said. But yet as I imagine any other future for our species I'm afraid it always ends in extinction, and not in a good way.
On the other hand I see little tin gods like Putin, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the psychopath who has North Korea as his playground, Mugabe.... and now Salmond in Scotland desperately fighting against what I believe is the only future for us, and the planet we depend on. I hate them all.
We hate the EU the tabloids tell us, but it's very existence should show us hope given that two wars were fought in the last hundred years that killed millions worldwide began in Europe and now we are at peace.
Now another despot who masquerades as a president, then a prime minister and then a president again, is starting it all off again. Dylan- When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn? My best answer- probably never.
On the other hand I see little tin gods like Putin, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the psychopath who has North Korea as his playground, Mugabe.... and now Salmond in Scotland desperately fighting against what I believe is the only future for us, and the planet we depend on. I hate them all.
We hate the EU the tabloids tell us, but it's very existence should show us hope given that two wars were fought in the last hundred years that killed millions worldwide began in Europe and now we are at peace.
Now another despot who masquerades as a president, then a prime minister and then a president again, is starting it all off again. Dylan- When will we ever learn, when will we ever learn? My best answer- probably never.
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