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scooping's correct.
Fact is, it's the taxes that the current immigrants are paying which fund the NHS and care for the elderly.
Also, immigrants are much, MUCH more likely to return to their native countries when they retire, reducing the strain on services.
Some seem to think that immigration is actually a strain on the economy. I've seen an interesting study on fullfact.org that refutes that.
Hey ho...
Fact is, it's the taxes that the current immigrants are paying which fund the NHS and care for the elderly.
Also, immigrants are much, MUCH more likely to return to their native countries when they retire, reducing the strain on services.
Some seem to think that immigration is actually a strain on the economy. I've seen an interesting study on fullfact.org that refutes that.
Hey ho...
many people appear to be on middle to low wages, those so called immigrants could well be, so will need to take out the pot as much as they put in, same for anyone, by our benefits system. if you think that they are in well paid jobs and are going to be major contributors think again -
sure NJ could explain this in a more concise way
sure NJ could explain this in a more concise way
TTT
Here's an idea...
In immigrant families, there is a tendency to take in elderly or infirm relatives. I'm thinking especially of Asian families where you will have grandma/grandpa living with adult children, providing child care etc.
This used to happen in Britain years ago, but much less so now. Perhaps tax breaks for people who take in elderly relatives? There would still be a burden on the state, but at least we would have the elderly actually living with people who love them...rather than being left in care homes (and we've all seen the horror stories about some of these institutions recently).
Here's an idea...
In immigrant families, there is a tendency to take in elderly or infirm relatives. I'm thinking especially of Asian families where you will have grandma/grandpa living with adult children, providing child care etc.
This used to happen in Britain years ago, but much less so now. Perhaps tax breaks for people who take in elderly relatives? There would still be a burden on the state, but at least we would have the elderly actually living with people who love them...rather than being left in care homes (and we've all seen the horror stories about some of these institutions recently).
as to those returning to their own countries, seeing as how Poles arrived, then many left when our economy took a downturn and when things began to improve came back, this will replicate itself over and over, we are not a stable workforce, population as we once were. Mostly people who settled here did so for good. Those who came from the Caribbean mostly stayed, some did eventually go home, and a few friends of mine moved on because the work dried up here and now live in Canada.
those who are here for a short time, maybe a few years to earn some bread to take back home aren't going to be great contributors. its only a settled, permanent workforce, earning a fair salary, for a long period who are going to be major contributors.
those who are here for a short time, maybe a few years to earn some bread to take back home aren't going to be great contributors. its only a settled, permanent workforce, earning a fair salary, for a long period who are going to be major contributors.
emmie
I'm not convinced by your conclusions.
I assume that immigrants don't all need to be well paid, as long as they are contributing tax and NI. And from what I read, there's a net benefit to the economy from recent migratory patterns.
But then again, this would include immigrants with key skills (IT, finance, doctors and nurses) which are generally overlooked when some think of 'immigrants'.
I'm not convinced by your conclusions.
I assume that immigrants don't all need to be well paid, as long as they are contributing tax and NI. And from what I read, there's a net benefit to the economy from recent migratory patterns.
But then again, this would include immigrants with key skills (IT, finance, doctors and nurses) which are generally overlooked when some think of 'immigrants'.
emmie
But surely the best kind of contributors are those who earn enough to pay tax and NI and then return home before they can actually make use of services, such as the NHS?
I'm thinking of bar staff, electricians, plumbers, builders, roofing contractors etc etc etc from Eastern Europe.
You have these physically fit young men who are here for a few years, make a few bob for themselves, pay tax and NI, and then return home.
Isn't that money in the coffers for us?
But surely the best kind of contributors are those who earn enough to pay tax and NI and then return home before they can actually make use of services, such as the NHS?
I'm thinking of bar staff, electricians, plumbers, builders, roofing contractors etc etc etc from Eastern Europe.
You have these physically fit young men who are here for a few years, make a few bob for themselves, pay tax and NI, and then return home.
Isn't that money in the coffers for us?
many elderly can't be looked after by the adult children, if they have serious problems like dementia, alzheimers, and need constant care, its a full time job, not to mention one of the most demanding of all, try looking after a sick relative 24/7, you soon become exhausted, especially if you have a family and a full time job, no one can manage that. There used to be more of a support network family wise, but that is not the case now, as children could have moved so far away, abroad even.
bar staff many live in, are not big contributors tax wise, they will also access all the services on offer, if they are entitled and you only have to have a NI number, doctors, hospital, dental. what makes anyone think that these workers are being paid on the cards, i.e show up on the tax system,
how many people employ a plumber, small job and pay in cash, lots i suspect
how many people employ a plumber, small job and pay in cash, lots i suspect
a much more transitory work force, an ageing population, one that hasn't been addressed by any government, why not, its not as though they don't get old, and surely this problem has been around long enough, not to mention that due to better care, healthy eating, and lifestyles we are living a lot longer, getting to sixty, not so long ago would have been considered old, now its not. Now because the whole pension pot thing has boiled over, short-sightedness on everyone's part, you will have to work a lot longer to likely get less.
