Female Football Fans Found Guilty Of Ripping Up The Koran.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2618005/Two-female-football-fans-ripped-pages-Koran-throwing-air-like-confetti-chanting-racist-songs-Muslims.html

Since there are many on AnswerBank who admit to being none believers in religion ie Atheists etc, can they now state whether or not these two women should have been prosecuted for ripping up a religious book?

[naomi24]

Religious books don't merit greater respect than any other book - but in my opinion no book should be wantonly destroyed. That said, it was a bizarre thing to do.

[Gromit]

// Religious books don't merit greater respect than any other book //

I disagree with that. Though I am not religious, a Bible or the Quran is believed to be the word of God by those who believe in that nonsense, so burning a copy of the Bible is surely more disrespectful than burning a copy of the Beano?

[DrFilth]

so long as it is not a first edition gromit -)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3518156.stm

[naomi24]

Ah, and there's me forgetting that whilst we can think what we like about most things, we have to respect religion. Silly me.

[Gromit]

Naomi, You are correct.

The only version I knew and assumed was the correct version had 'catch a tiger by his toe', when I was eeny meenying 45 years ago.

The n*gger version it seems was popular in the US in the 1880s, but was promoted by The Boy Scout movement...

// It was also used by Rudyard Kipling in his "A Counting-Out Song", from Land and Sea Tales for Scouts and Guides, published in 1935. This may have helped popularise this version in the United Kingdom where it seems to have replaced all earlier versions until the late twentieth century. //

[DrFilth]

gromit when i was a kid it was baby or the n word used the most

[Booldawg]

^ was that meant for the Clarkson thread Gromit?!

[Gromit]

Yes, I had just realised my mistake :-)

[Zeuhl]

/Female Football Fans Found Guilty Of Ripping Up The Koran./

NO THEY WEREN'T

You are misrepresenting the facts of the charges and conviction aog

it's not big and it's not clever

[Canary42]

///You are misrepresenting the facts ///

Nothing new there then.

[Zeuhl]

^
LOL

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// I see.....in this particular instance, you are happy to take the word of the accused and convicted women rather than the decision of the Court. ///

Now where have I said that?

For starters I am not taking the side of anyone, I am just asking a question, but true to form some of you wish to skirt round the question with false accusations.

Incidentally these women were not convicted when this evidence was put forward.

And it seems that the only solid evidence that could be proven was the fact that they ripped up the Koran and scattered the ripped up pages in the air, had this been the Bible no doubt there would be some on here saying "it was only a book of fairy stories, so why all the fuss".

[jackthehat]

///And it seems that the only solid evidence that could be proven was the fact that they ripped up the Koran and scattered the ripped up pages in the air, had this been the Bible no doubt there would be some on here saying "it was only a book of fairy stories, so why all the fuss"///

Would they really?

They were convicted because the bench believed that the women knew 'exactly' what they were doing......with the chanting and the ripping up of pages from the Koran.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// I do not particularly like Cameron or Farage, but it someone was being threatening and abusive to them in a public place then I would gladly see them prosecuted. ///

Pity you didn't put such views forward when the Farage/egg throwing incident was under discussion, and the one regarding his cancelled visit due to threatened violence, why didn't you speak up then?

/// Just because the abuse was aimed at religious people, and I am not religious does not mean I would support the law being broken like you appear to do AOG. ///

Please point out where I support the law being broken, I was merely asking a question which obviously has got some puzzled, do they forget their anti religious stance or be forced into including Islam in their anti religious stance.

Tough one that for Atheist Liberal Lefties.

[jackthehat]

No, it's not.

Not subscribing to any organised religion, does not equate with the willingness to stand by, or join in, with a rabble intent on using religious and racial abuse to make a point.

[joko]

the racist songs etc are wrong and they were obviously being a pair of nasty bitches
i can not understand why football supporters get so nasty with rival teams - why they get so cruel and personal - its a game and it makes them look like idiots with no sense of proportion

but to be honest i can think of no better thing to do with the koran, than rip it up
bible too

[jim360]

I think you are just misunderstanding what sort of anti-religious stance people have on AB. I'm sure I speak for the majority here, when I say that we are usually anti-religion and anti the concept, but very much not anti those who are religious themselves (so long as such people practise their religion in relative privacy and don't use it as an excuse for violence or subjugation).

So burning a Koran, or a Bible, or tearing it apart, or chanting racist abuse, is just not acceptable and you don't need to be pro- or anti- anything to see this. The behaviour of these girls was grossly offensive and deserves to be seen as such in a court of law.

If they had done the same thing to Christians, then it would also be condemned as loudly. At the moment, for various reasons, it is Muslims who are the targets of such abuse. Not that many people these days are bothered enough about Christianity, in this country at least, to use it either as an excuse for violence or as a target of such actions.

[RATTER15]

I wouldnt tear up any book at a football match, particularly if it was going to offend people, the fact it was the Koran is neither here nor there.

Come to that, I would never go to a football match, silly game!!

[ludwig]

It's all about context. There's no law against waving books in the air whilst singing, but someone waving a copy of Mein Kampf at a crowd of jews whilst at the same time singing anti-semitic songs would probably be charged with a similar offence.