Should Abu Hamzas Family Be Kicked Out Of Their £1.25M West London Home

[barney15c]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10845934/Benefits-for-Abu-Hamzas-family-must-be-reviewed-says-MP.html

As he is likely to get a very lengthy prison sentence in the USA should his family still be living in a £1.25m house in West London with £650 a week benefits.

As he has a right to a family life (as a lot of terrorists say their human rights dictates)...then maybe his family should go and live in the USA to be close to him, and the US government pick up the tab for rehoming them.

[rsvp]

guilt by association (or co-ersion) - how would our judicial system judge it?

[naomi24]

But he doesn't live by their principles, so why should they afford him any concessions? Being party to terrorism isn't 'the American way'.

[NiceCupOfTea]

If someone else was extradited and put in an American jail for whatever reason, and there are loads of them every year, you wouldn't be screaming for the family to be removed. They've not in themselves done anything wrong so why should they be punished?

[naomi24]

Conversely, why should we keep them?

[sandyRoe]

Are his children born here, or not?

[sandyRoe]

Were, rather than are. ^

[barney15c]

nice Cup of tea, 4 of his 8 children have been convicted of serious offences including terrorist ones, so they are guilty by association too, as he no doubt influenced them.

[barney15c]

Apologies make that 3:

Several of Hamza's sons have also become criminals.

Mustafa Kamel, 32, and stepson Mohssin Ghailam, 33, were jailed in Yemen in 1999 for their involvement in a bomb plot.

On their return to the UK they were again jailed for a car crime scam in 2009.

Hamza Kamel, 27, was jailed for two and a half years for handling stolen goods while Imran Mostafa, 22, was jailed for 11 years for an armed robbery.

Yasser Kamel was jailed for violent disorder at an anti-Israel demonstration

[sir.prize]

naomi - it appears we are keeping most of them . . . in and out of jail.
On 28 May 2009, three of Hamza's sons were sentenced to imprisonment by Southwark Crown Court for a two-year fraud involving stolen cars. Hamza Kamel, then aged 22, and Mohamed Mostafa, then aged 27, both from Acton, London, allegedly ran the scam operation with Abu Hamza's stepson Mohssin Ghailam, then aged 28. Four other men were jailed on related charges. In July 2010, it was reported that another son, Yasser Kamel, then aged 20, was sentenced to twelve months in youth detention after pleading guilty to one count of violent disorder at anti-Israel protests in January 2009. In January 2012, Imran Mostafa (another of Abu Hamza's sons) was convicted for his part in an armed robbery on a jewellers in King's Lynn, Norfolk, and for illegally possessing a firearm with intent to commit an offence.

[sir.prize]

barney - you beat me to it.

[barney15c]

I can't count make that 5!!!!!

[NiceCupOfTea]

It still has to be done on a case by case basis. You can't presume that sort of guilt by association and then presume guilt and punish the family as a whole.

[naomi24]

//naomi - it appears we are keeping most of them //

And why not? It's par for the course. How stupid are we? :o/

Night all. x

[Khandro]

I imagine life for them isn't exactly a bed of roses in that neighbourhood. Have they, as individuals, actually done anything wrong?

[naomi24]

No need to stay. They have friends in high places so no doubt they'd be welcome elsewhere.

[ludwig]

// Have they, as individuals, actually done anything wrong? //

Yes apparently..

// FIVE sons of the extremist preacher Abu Hamza, who is fighting extradition to the US, have been convicted of serious offences ranging from bomb making to fraud and assaulting police. //

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Society/article1137123.ece

[NiceCupOfTea]

Jeremy Kyle, enter! I know they're looking like a bad family, but, still, the ones who live here legally are ... living here legally. Let the bad individuals be sought out, leave the honest ones alone. We cannot start to persecute people seen to be part of 'bad families' as we would become a country that Amnesty International would be writing about!

[sandyRoe]

In the Soviet Union during Stalin's time, family members of people known to have been supporters of Trotsky had their identity papers marked with that information. Life couldn't have been easy for them.
Would something like that work here?