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Ukip And The Next General Election
Serious question...and this is not another UKIP-bashing threads. This is something I'm geniunely interested in...
Do those who support UKIP actually want them to win the next General Election, or do you want them to give the Tories and Labour such a bloody nose as to make them re-think (and prioritise) a referendum on membership of the EU?
Alternatively, if it were a hung parliament, would you be in favour of a UKIP/Conservative or (bizzare as it may seem at this point) a UKIP/Labour coalition?
Do those who support UKIP actually want them to win the next General Election, or do you want them to give the Tories and Labour such a bloody nose as to make them re-think (and prioritise) a referendum on membership of the EU?
Alternatively, if it were a hung parliament, would you be in favour of a UKIP/Conservative or (bizzare as it may seem at this point) a UKIP/Labour coalition?
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It'd be foolish to think they have a chance in a GE, as I have sad many times the 3 main parties ride rough shod over public opinion on Europe for their own selfish reasons. UKIPs sucess here, hopefully will make them see that a majority of the public do not hold the generally accepted "correct" view on the EU and adjust themselves accordingly. Lib dems are now irrelevant, but Labour/Cons could tap a seam of voters if they could stop being EU apologists.
With all respect to Nigel Farage, if his party actually won the General Election then it would be an unmitigated disaster for the country within weeks if not days. I expect most people know this, really, so a more serious aim for UKIP itself and for its supporters might just be a foothold, two or three MPs (perhaps more, although that would be no mean achievement), and something for the main parties to think about.
I don't think most of the population want to leave the EU.
But there is no doubt that they do want the UK to have more control over issues such as immigration.
'Alternatively, if it were a hung parliament'
That is looking like a certainty. I think the Libs would sell themselves to the highest bidder again. (And I think Ed is equally as keen as Cleggy was just to get any sort of foot in the door)
But there is no doubt that they do want the UK to have more control over issues such as immigration.
'Alternatively, if it were a hung parliament'
That is looking like a certainty. I think the Libs would sell themselves to the highest bidder again. (And I think Ed is equally as keen as Cleggy was just to get any sort of foot in the door)
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We have much to thank Nigel Farage for, this article makes very interesting reading, especially this section.
/// Immigration is an interesting case study. For affluent political correspondents, it made domestic help cheaper, enabling them to pay for the nannies, au pairs, cleaning ladies, gardeners and tradesmen who make middle-class life comfortable. ///
/// These journalists were often provided with private health schemes, and were therefore immune from the pressure on NHS hospitals from immigration. They tended to send their children to private schools. This meant they rarely faced the problems of poorer parents, whose children find themselves in schools where scores of different languages were spoken in the playground. Meanwhile the corporate bosses who funded all the main political parties (and owned the big media groups) tended to love immigration because it meant cheaper labour and higher profits. ///
/// Great tracts of urban Britain have been utterly changed by immigration in the course of barely a generation. The people who originally lived in these areas were never consulted and felt that the communities they lived in had been wilfully destroyed. Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems. They were literally left without a voice. ///
We have much to thank Nigel Farage for, this article makes very interesting reading, especially this section.
/// Immigration is an interesting case study. For affluent political correspondents, it made domestic help cheaper, enabling them to pay for the nannies, au pairs, cleaning ladies, gardeners and tradesmen who make middle-class life comfortable. ///
/// These journalists were often provided with private health schemes, and were therefore immune from the pressure on NHS hospitals from immigration. They tended to send their children to private schools. This meant they rarely faced the problems of poorer parents, whose children find themselves in schools where scores of different languages were spoken in the playground. Meanwhile the corporate bosses who funded all the main political parties (and owned the big media groups) tended to love immigration because it meant cheaper labour and higher profits. ///
/// Great tracts of urban Britain have been utterly changed by immigration in the course of barely a generation. The people who originally lived in these areas were never consulted and felt that the communities they lived in had been wilfully destroyed. Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems. They were literally left without a voice. ///
AOG
"Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems. They were literally left without a voice."
Is that really true though?
They could have voted for the National Front or the BNP?
There have always been anti-immigration parties ready to voice these fears. And remember, the ballot box is a private place - nobody need know whether someone has voted for one of these parties.
They always had a voice then, surely?
"Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems. They were literally left without a voice."
Is that really true though?
They could have voted for the National Front or the BNP?
There have always been anti-immigration parties ready to voice these fears. And remember, the ballot box is a private place - nobody need know whether someone has voted for one of these parties.
They always had a voice then, surely?
sp1814
/// And remember, the ballot box is a private place - nobody need know whether someone has voted for one of these parties. ///
Really believe that do you?
Have you not noticed that the ballot paper on which you place your cross has a number, which coincides with the same number by your name on the sheet on which the polling officer underlines your name, when he or she presents you with your ballot paper?
/// And remember, the ballot box is a private place - nobody need know whether someone has voted for one of these parties. ///
Really believe that do you?
Have you not noticed that the ballot paper on which you place your cross has a number, which coincides with the same number by your name on the sheet on which the polling officer underlines your name, when he or she presents you with your ballot paper?
dunnitall
I think that's a bit of a side issue. My point is that with the National Front and BNP, people have always had a voice within our democratic system, to protest against immigration.
Perhaps the overriding issue is that these parties have been seen as 'one trick ponies' and at the end of the day, very few people are solely interested in immigration - there's transport, the environment, health, education, the economy etc.
If these parties offered a broader manifesto, perhaps they would have made a bigger impact in the polls...but the fact is - they have always been there.
Additionally, there have always been anti-EU parties, so when the Spectator says, "Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems" they are only looking at part of the political landscape, not the whole.
I think that's a bit of a side issue. My point is that with the National Front and BNP, people have always had a voice within our democratic system, to protest against immigration.
Perhaps the overriding issue is that these parties have been seen as 'one trick ponies' and at the end of the day, very few people are solely interested in immigration - there's transport, the environment, health, education, the economy etc.
If these parties offered a broader manifesto, perhaps they would have made a bigger impact in the polls...but the fact is - they have always been there.
Additionally, there have always been anti-EU parties, so when the Spectator says, "Nobody would speak up for them: not the Conservatives, not Labour, not the Lib Dems" they are only looking at part of the political landscape, not the whole.
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