Wearing It With Pride?

[AB Editor]

... Or not ...

http://metro.co.uk/2014/05/30/asda-defends-wearable-england-flag-that-looks-like-ku-klux-klan-outfit-4745329/

It doesn't help the "lets take our flag back from racist segments of our society" arguments very much sadly!

[emmie]

so Islamic Knuckle draggers it is.

[ichkeria]

"honi soit qui mal y pense "

On y soit qui mal y panse

An ad for a first aid course
I'll get my new England waterproof flag-coat :-)

[ummmm]

Andy...all over the world people fly their countries flags in sporting events.

Do you say the same about the rugby fans?

[kvalidir]

So tell me you don't have a festival t shirt or a band T shirt andy and I'll happily think you aren't a hypocrite ;-)

This is just a flag with a hood, clever little design, simple and cheap to make, doesn't really resemble a Klansman's outfit unless you go looking for that similarity, is cheap, waterproof and designed to support the England team- nothing to be upset about to be honest. Some people are way too easily offended, usually because they've woven their own drama into something unworthy of it. It's just a flag with a hat.

[ludwig]

That's hilarious. Asda are always selling stupid *** like this and then having to withdraw it from sale. Aren't they the ones that did the Jimmy Savile halloween costumes or did I imagine that? I may have.

[andy-hughes]

emmie - that is not what I said.

I think you are missing my point on purpose to play Devil's Advocate.

Dressing as a reflection of a culture or religion does not really equiate with misappropriating a national flag while attacking foreign football fans.

[Svejk]

andy doesn't believe in countries.
we're all citizens of the world and should be free to roam wherever the notion takes us.
very nice.

[emmie]

ludwig, sold by Amazon, and they were withdrawn

[naomi24]

I detest that arrogant expression – ‘knuckle draggers’ as much as I detest the arrogant expression ‘little Englanders’. As for the costume, the designer should have put the pencil down before drawing the hood.

[ichkeria]

Just a further thought about this: if a huge number of people went to ASDA and bought one of these things, and wore it, would people think there had suddenly been a surge in support for the kkk (which has never been all that big in England anyway)?
Unlikely in my opinion
In fact, if they really caught on the real kkk might think they needed to change their attire to avoid being associated with England :-)

Is it not time for English people proudly to reclaim their national symbol properly and not apologise for the fact that in some people's eyes some might associate it (rather tenuously perhaps) with the attire of a few racists in another country . It's not as if someone has bent the St George's cross into a swastika deliberately ...
When it comes down to it, a white flag with a hood is going to look a bit like a kkk cloak no matter what you do with it

[emmie]

AH you said

That automatically divorces them from the knuckle-draggers who need to band together to hide their insecurity by acting mob-handed.

My point was not that you need to be a knuckle-dragger to wear such a piece of nonsense, only that it will appeal to knuckle-draggers who adore dressing in a similar style as part of their bonding exercise.

don;t many of these Muslims extremists or other, wear a piece of apparel that makes them bond together, look the same, don't see that being any different.

for some reason you and others are happy to disparage, call low life, scum and worse about your fellow countrymen, just because they wear a flag around their shoulders, rugby fans do it as do Cricket fans, are they also knuckle draggers.

[emmie]

as i said at the beginning of this thread, someone should have thought about the design of the outfit,

[DrFilth]

these knuckle draggers spoil glastonbury for the real normal music fans with their kjnsmen flag attitude


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=glastonbury+flag+photos&tbm=isch&imgil=9H1_srIYHMMkFM%253A%253Bhttps%253A%252F%252Fencrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com%252Fimages%253Fq%253Dtbn%253AANd9GcRUYX6XAVSvKsw58E5jaon38xr312r3vCP81awHEHg3PuYCHZw9%253B2715%253B1898%253Bs7-xE-k2-8kRUM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.tomjones.com%25252Fmembers%25252Fphotos-behind-the-scenes-glastonbury%25252F&source=iu&usg=__rKBy0K2OgDYSk_JVzKVLeGeOXC0%3D&sa=X&ei=_zGQU8boFdSS7Aa7ooG4BA&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAg&biw=1033&bih=460#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=9H1_srIYHMMkFM%253A%3Bs7-xE-k2-8kRUM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tomjones.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2009%252F12%252FGlasto28-copy.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tomjones.com%252Fmembers%252Fphotos-behind-the-scenes-glastonbury%252F%3B2715%3B1898

[emmie]

same for the Olympics, mostly flags from UK< but lots from many countries, no one cares, they want to enjoy the day, time.

[DrFilth]

good grief these knuckle draggers are even at the cricket matches these days


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=english+cricket+fans+abroad+photos&amp;tbm=isch&amp;tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&amp;ei=ZDSQU9SlJMiN7AaLh4DgAw&amp;ved=0CCUQsAQ&biw=1033&bih=460#facrc=_&imgdii=FqtrI8V7le8sHM%3A%3BOQHgKHmQFgq3sM%3BFqtrI8V7le8sHM%3A&;imgrc=FqtrI8V7le8sHM%253A%3BhKtokqR9B0BOBM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tntmagazine.com%252Fimage.php%252Fmedia%252Fcontent%252F_master%252F51597%252Fimages%252Fbarmy-army.jpg%253Ffile%253Dmedia%25252Fcontent%25252F_master%25252F51597%25252Fimages%25252Fbarmy-army.jpg%2526width%253D450%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.tntmagazine.com%252Fsport%252Folympics%252Fbarmy-barracks-the-famed-army-of-english-cricket-fans-formed-when-their-team-was-crap-has-ashes-success-changed-them%3B450%3B300

[emmie]

DF, which is what i have said, also it was a symbol of pride once upon a time, same as the Union Jack, no one thought it untoward to display it, wear it at a celebration, like a Jubilee, war ending kind of thing.

[ummmm]

I think most people still wear it with pride. Most people are not knuckle dragging football hooligans.

Also...hooligans are not just meatheads.

[emmie]

ummm, agree, which AH seems to think they are.

[DrFilth]

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i agree with andy the world is full of knuckle draggers or is it ?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n3aU89cRkY

[emmie]

no it isn't. not here, not there, there are just people with different views.