Misleading Headline?

[sp1814]

Is the Mail on Sunday trying to stir up hatred against gay people (again)?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714321/NHS-fund-sperm-bank-lesbians-New-generation-fatherless-families-paid-YOU.html

[sp1814]

baldric

No-one has a 'right' to have children. Gay or straight.

[Baldric]

sp, see my conveniently ignored question @12:10.

[Baldric]

X'ed posts, agreed!

[Svejk]

Stop following 'whinging' twitter feeds, SP, and open your mind. It will set you free.

[ToraToraTora]

welcome linda, you will soon realise on here that there are srict definitions on what views are allowed or you get labelled with one or more of the left's standard names, eg little Englander, Knuckledragger, etc and owning up to reading the DM is akin to the bishop of bath and wells eating babies in the vestry! However there is usually some sort of attempt at constructive debate so please stay and contribute, you are most welcome.

[Baldric]

Whilst I agree with your statement @ 12:19 it doesn't really answer my original question does it?

[anotheoldgit]

All seems totally discriminatory to me, why should Lesbians, childless heterosexual couples and single women have total access to this, what about gay men, they have to either find a woman to bear their children or take up the adoption alternative?

Why are you not complaining about that SP? They should be spending NHS money on research so that males can bear children.

Oh dear have I have given them ideas? :0)

[sp1814]

Baldric

Same sex couples don't have the right to have children, but they can if they want. Same with mixed sex couples.

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, you do realise you pressed "submit" don't you?

[naomi24]

//Same sex couples don't have the right to have children, but they can if they want. Same with mixed sex couples. //

As long as it's not at the expense of other people.

[sp1814]

AOG

It *is* open to all.

Are you saying that you have changed your mind and now think it should not be exclusively open to straight couples?

[sp1814]

naomi24

"As long as it's not at the expense of other people."

Please clarify.

[Brenden]

About time we steered away from producing more illegitimate children. I do not care what people do it is not my business, but when my taxes are being spent promoting more fatherless babies i object.

[sp1814]

lindapalmara

Yes indeed - welcome to the site.

In addition to ToraToraTora's helpful introduction, I should also warn you that should you express any left wing (or even centre left) opinions, you will instantly be confirmed as a member of the 'PC Brigade' (we have several units deployed around AB, mostly reservists).

You should steer clear of challenging anyone who expresses negative opinions about Islam/Muslim otherwise you will occasionally be referred to as a terrorist sympathiser, or in some rare cases - a traitor.

Please steer clear of any oblique references to race, otherwise we will be regaled with a certain poster's stories of 'how the hospital I go to in Birmingham is full of Asians'.

Also, if you challenge any of the right-of-centre members on anything they say, you should accept that your point is invalid and all you're trying to do is take away their freedom of speech / shout them down / bully them (delete as applicable).

[naomi24]

sp, funded by the tax-payer.

//Artificial insemination on the NHS
The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) recommends that up to six cycles of IUI treatment on the NHS may be offered if:

•you are unable (or would find it very difficult) to have vaginal intercourse, for example because of a physical disability
•you have a condition (such as a viral infection that can be sexually transmitted) that means you need specific help to conceive
•you are in a same-sex relationship //

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Artificial-insemination/Pages/Introduction.aspx

[sp1814]

Brenden

Self-financing.

[naomi24]

sp, where does that article say that this scheme is self-financing? It says that people are going to be asked to pay £300, but does that mean it's wholly self-financing or is that £300 just a proportion of the cost?

[sp1814]

naomi24

When you say 'the expense of others', I thought you were referring to emotional cost.

But I think what you mean is cost to the tax payer right?

So are you saying that gay people should pay through their taxes for straight couples to have fertility treatment, which is not available through the NHS to them?

If so...why?

I pay for tons of procedures that I will never use, but I'm talking about practical things such as gynaecological exams etc. Should the NHS be there to make 'moral' judgements based on sexuality (as opposed to sex/gender)?

[sp1814]

naomi24

Here:

"CCGs are typically more likely to fund heterosexual couples struggling to conceive rather than lesbians or single women because they are considered to have more of a medical need. The NGDT hopes the sperm bank will be self-funding after a year."

[naomi24]

sp, yes, I mean the cost to the tax-payer. As I said earlier, I don’t believe the NHS should be in this business at all.