500 Women And Children Buried Alive In Iraq.

[ladybirder]

Just heard this on Sky News but not confirmed. Please tell me this isn't be true.

[237SJ]

The most terrible atrocities are taking place there. I hate to say it but when you remove a dictator who keeps them all in check this is what happens and I don`t know what we can do about it. I presume the UK and US will be heavily involved again with the resultant rists of retaliation for the rest of us

[237SJ]

*risks*

[jno]

seems it is

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/08/10/iraq-has-evidence-some-of-yazidis-were-c-idUKL6N0QG0G820140810

[youngmafbog]

Sadam did not keep Isis in check as such. They grew due to the Syrian conflict, that we did not take part in

[ladybirder]

Thanks jno for your link.

This is so disturbing. What absolute horrors are taking place. These murderous ******** have to be stopped somehow. Is it only the West that is bothered about what is taking place in Iraq?

[Baldric]

http://www.trust.org/item/20140810102246-b9lmg/?source=fiTheWire

[ladybirder]

That's a useful website Baldric, thank you.

[naomi24]

Ladybirder, //Is it only the West that is bothered about what is taking place in Iraq?//

I just heard this on BBC news - and that's exactly what I thought.

[Gromit]

// Isis grew due to the Syrian conflict, that we did not take part in //

We trained, armed and financed them though.

[scooping]

OK with the Lefties if we intervene now then...

[marval]

That is terrible news, something does need to be done.

[naomi24]

If this were happening somewhere other than the Middle East, I wonder if we would be horrified enough to intervene? Just musing.

[Hypognosis]

All to a rousing chorus of "Don't attack…Don't attack Iraq…"?

Saddam was only interested in killing marsh Arabs and turning their fertile lands into useless desert. It's not like he was a live-and-let-live kind of authoritarian, or anything like that.

[emmie]

what has happened since is far worse. same with Syria, same with many of these places.

[emmie]

when the Rwanda crisis was happening who took any notice, certainly not the west, too late to save the hundreds of thousands or more massacred.

[Hypognosis]

There was one of Jeremy Bowen's reports where it finally gelled for me about the Sunni/Shi'a thing but that memory got overwritten, so to speak.

Whichever group Saddam belonged to, they were smaller, numerically but the 'ruling class' - Iraqi equivalent of The Normans. We went in, dismantled their army, police and security services, train up replacements, move out, leaving everyone with a grudge to settle to get on with killing each other.

Why do the Sauds never lift a finger? Not allowed to kill fellow Muslims, presumably? Do errors of omission, or inaction, count?

[tonyav]

Some facts about the Yazidis.
http://news.uk.msn.com/in-pictures/who-are-the-yazidis

[Hypognosis]

@emmie,

What made the Rwanda genocide so easy to perpetrate was the way they all ran to the only place of safety they knew: the community church. Even if they'd had access to Facebook or twitter, you don't get many minutes' notice of the building being attacked to request outside help. The west only got the news by word of mouth, by which time it was all too late.

Similar massacres centred on churches happened in WWII, Germans taking over Polish and Russian villages and Russians taking them off German colonists a few years later.

"No-one will shed blood under God's roof." Yeah, right.

[emmie]

800 thousand didn't cram into a church

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13431486

[Hypognosis]

@emmie

Okay: churches, plural, then.

From your link: //Organised gangs of government soldiers and militias hacked their way through the Tutsi population with machetes, or blew them up in churches where they had taken refuge.//

I'm not attempting to do R&S-style anti-church point-scoring here, just stating what happened (or my perception of what happened, skewed as it may be by (Beeb) news footage).