Strands 259. Would You Look At That
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Selfish Suicide With Bells On
Suicide is a selfish cowards way out, and this guy certainly made sure the woman who left him didn't forget him
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despite good works by network rail working with the Samaritans, suicide by train is still all too common - in the last week there has been 5, and 2 instances where the person survived their intent. the hotspots are well known, and these have been targeted with posters, and Samaritans contact details.
I don't think suicide is cowardly or selfish or 'the easy way out', I think it's a tragedy which occurs when people reach such an all time low they really can see no other way out, however this man didn't just commit suicide he sought, planned and executed a way to make his ex girlfriend feel awful for the rest of her life.
I would say that this is the height of passive aggression, which might well be the reason they split up in the first place.
She will never forget what happened but I do hope in time she will come to see that although this was the most horrible tragedy, she has to have made the right decision in ending their relationship because it would be unthinkable to devote your lifetime to someone so hell bent on control, that even in the depths of despair and death he felt the need to punish her and make her suffer because she would not do what he wanted her to. That's passive aggression and control freakishness on a biblical scale.
I would say that this is the height of passive aggression, which might well be the reason they split up in the first place.
She will never forget what happened but I do hope in time she will come to see that although this was the most horrible tragedy, she has to have made the right decision in ending their relationship because it would be unthinkable to devote your lifetime to someone so hell bent on control, that even in the depths of despair and death he felt the need to punish her and make her suffer because she would not do what he wanted her to. That's passive aggression and control freakishness on a biblical scale.
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Once again the distressing subject of suicide, and the attendent mental anguish that must always precede it, raises its head on the AB, and harply polarises opinion.
There are those who believe that suicide is a cowardly / brave act, mostly the former.
There are those who have direct or indirect experience of the mental illness that can end in suicide, who understand that it is neither of those things.
Joeluke - "Suicide is a choice that someone makes......"
Actually, that is exactly what it is not.
Suicide is the final chance to kill the pain - and that is what suicide is about.
It is not about thoughts of loved ones left behind, it is not about leaving a mess for someone else to sort out.
It is not about anything except the all-encompassng mentalm anguish that makes living another ten seconds an unendurable prospect.
When you reach that level - and thoughts outside the self have vanished some considerable time previously - then the thoughts of one chance to hit back at the pain, and end it, become all-consumung.
On this (rare) occasion, the victim was aware enough to kill not only the pain he suffered, but to attempt to transfer it onto the person he saw as the reason for it, and that of course only doubles the tragedy.
But the poor woman in question should comfort herself that his death was not her fault, literally or figuratively, and he was beyond any help she, or anyone else could give him.
From a dispassionate, detached rational viewpoint, it is easy to assume that this man planned his death to ensure maximum distress for his ex - and maybe that is true - but that does not make it the cold calculated revenge that some on here are implying - in the vast majority of cases, the suicidal mind is not capable of anything approaching rational thought -it is simply a chance to stop suffering once and for all.
So please don't be so quick to judge and condemn - it's easier than trying to understand the damaged mind of this man, and others like him - but it also closes the door on compassion and understanding, and that cannot be good for anyone.
There are those who believe that suicide is a cowardly / brave act, mostly the former.
There are those who have direct or indirect experience of the mental illness that can end in suicide, who understand that it is neither of those things.
Joeluke - "Suicide is a choice that someone makes......"
Actually, that is exactly what it is not.
Suicide is the final chance to kill the pain - and that is what suicide is about.
It is not about thoughts of loved ones left behind, it is not about leaving a mess for someone else to sort out.
It is not about anything except the all-encompassng mentalm anguish that makes living another ten seconds an unendurable prospect.
When you reach that level - and thoughts outside the self have vanished some considerable time previously - then the thoughts of one chance to hit back at the pain, and end it, become all-consumung.
On this (rare) occasion, the victim was aware enough to kill not only the pain he suffered, but to attempt to transfer it onto the person he saw as the reason for it, and that of course only doubles the tragedy.
But the poor woman in question should comfort herself that his death was not her fault, literally or figuratively, and he was beyond any help she, or anyone else could give him.
From a dispassionate, detached rational viewpoint, it is easy to assume that this man planned his death to ensure maximum distress for his ex - and maybe that is true - but that does not make it the cold calculated revenge that some on here are implying - in the vast majority of cases, the suicidal mind is not capable of anything approaching rational thought -it is simply a chance to stop suffering once and for all.
So please don't be so quick to judge and condemn - it's easier than trying to understand the damaged mind of this man, and others like him - but it also closes the door on compassion and understanding, and that cannot be good for anyone.
TTT "talking sense to this guy? good luck with that Andy!"
Again, the tagedy of suicide and the mental turmoil that preceedes it, is that it is too late to try and reach out to this poor man and save him from his untimely death, and the dreadful aftermath for his family and all involved.
If talking (and hearing) sense was possible, then suicide would not be the potential outcome - it is the absence of any belief that help and support are out there that makes death such a welcome alternative.
Again, the tagedy of suicide and the mental turmoil that preceedes it, is that it is too late to try and reach out to this poor man and save him from his untimely death, and the dreadful aftermath for his family and all involved.
If talking (and hearing) sense was possible, then suicide would not be the potential outcome - it is the absence of any belief that help and support are out there that makes death such a welcome alternative.
viv38 - "Yes, I think this man was selfish, BUT I definitely don't think all suicides are selfish, having had a family member do it because he had terminal cancer."
That's an interesting viewpoint.
Why was this man selfish when possible suffering severe Depression, but your relative was not selfish for shortening his life and denying his family chance to spend time with him because he chose to remove that chance from them?
That's an interesting viewpoint.
Why was this man selfish when possible suffering severe Depression, but your relative was not selfish for shortening his life and denying his family chance to spend time with him because he chose to remove that chance from them?
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