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1400 children abused......
cases of beatings, petrol being poured over them, and even worse.
Where was the Council and police, reports and complaints covered up? Not one council employee reprimanded or punished.
Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.
What will be the fall out of this? Other Yorks towns similarly affected?
cases of beatings, petrol being poured over them, and even worse.
Where was the Council and police, reports and complaints covered up? Not one council employee reprimanded or punished.
Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful.
What will be the fall out of this? Other Yorks towns similarly affected?
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The problem that we seems to be inherent in the past is that children simply weren't believed...especially those in care homes.
Is it not true, to a degree, that back then, they were seen as 'trouble', whereas now (in my opinion, correctly), they are viewed as vulnerable.
Look at all the cases we're seeing now. I have a mate from Rochdale who knew kids who were abused by a certain local member of Parliament, and it wasn't a secret. I can imagine the number of abuse cases we will never hear of are four figures...actually - probably five figures.
Is it not true, to a degree, that back then, they were seen as 'trouble', whereas now (in my opinion, correctly), they are viewed as vulnerable.
Look at all the cases we're seeing now. I have a mate from Rochdale who knew kids who were abused by a certain local member of Parliament, and it wasn't a secret. I can imagine the number of abuse cases we will never hear of are four figures...actually - probably five figures.
Children in so-called 'Care Homes' are extremely vulnerable. Poorly trained shift working staff, run down premises often miles away from family (however flawed) and friends. Minimal education, little mental stimulation, very few opportunities for sport. Devastating loneliness, vulnerability.
Too often ignored when they have problems, seen as troublemakers by Police.
Social Services overwhelmed, ever changing personnel who push attempted complaints from a child to the bottom of the pile as an easy option.
Too often ignored when they have problems, seen as troublemakers by Police.
Social Services overwhelmed, ever changing personnel who push attempted complaints from a child to the bottom of the pile as an easy option.
Mikey, //As an obviously educated man NJ, you should be ashamed of yourself. //
Not at all. I also listened to that BBC report which said that many of the perpetrators were of Pakistani origin, but that was kept wraps for fear of unsettling community relations - or words to that effect. You clearly have no comprehension of the culture you're defending here.
Not at all. I also listened to that BBC report which said that many of the perpetrators were of Pakistani origin, but that was kept wraps for fear of unsettling community relations - or words to that effect. You clearly have no comprehension of the culture you're defending here.
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I think 'protective order' has to cover a wide range of solutions, but I hate the idea of putting children into care homes. I think that's almost tantamount to 'punishing' the child.
Once a child goes into care, their chances of going on to have a productive and successful life are diminished (although not eradicated!)
What we seem to have here is a breakdown on all the checks and balances that *should* be in place. Child protection doesn't only encompass removing the child from the home environment - it should first attempt to address what is making the home environment a dangerous place...and if that means aggressively prosecuting the 'responsible' adult, then so be it.
Better to have the kids packed off to relatives, or foster care, than run the risk of continued sexual abuse.
I think 'protective order' has to cover a wide range of solutions, but I hate the idea of putting children into care homes. I think that's almost tantamount to 'punishing' the child.
Once a child goes into care, their chances of going on to have a productive and successful life are diminished (although not eradicated!)
What we seem to have here is a breakdown on all the checks and balances that *should* be in place. Child protection doesn't only encompass removing the child from the home environment - it should first attempt to address what is making the home environment a dangerous place...and if that means aggressively prosecuting the 'responsible' adult, then so be it.
Better to have the kids packed off to relatives, or foster care, than run the risk of continued sexual abuse.
I tell you what another problem here is...
Abuse of the social services.
I would have be be *extremely* desperate to even consider that as a career choice. I've seen documentaries about their work, and it's just bloody horrible.
They have to deal with the stuff that we (as a society) don't want to trouble ourselves with...and the thanks they get for saving thousands of kids each year, is the media pummelling they get when they screw up.
If one of my team screws up at work, the worst that's going to happen is a programme will stop running for a few hours, and someone in Europe will be ticked off.
If a social worker screws up, a child might die.
And to cap it all - for this responsibility, they are paid rubbish wages...
No...not with a barge pole.
Abuse of the social services.
I would have be be *extremely* desperate to even consider that as a career choice. I've seen documentaries about their work, and it's just bloody horrible.
They have to deal with the stuff that we (as a society) don't want to trouble ourselves with...and the thanks they get for saving thousands of kids each year, is the media pummelling they get when they screw up.
If one of my team screws up at work, the worst that's going to happen is a programme will stop running for a few hours, and someone in Europe will be ticked off.
If a social worker screws up, a child might die.
And to cap it all - for this responsibility, they are paid rubbish wages...
No...not with a barge pole.
Educated or not, Mikey, I'm ashamed of nothing. I'm relating what was reported in the BBC article this evening. The perpetrators were overwhelmingly "Pakistani British" the reporter said.
Turning to the report:
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
"In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged. "
"Others believed there was wholesale denial of the problem in the Pakistani-heritage community in the same way that other forms of abuse were ignored. Representatives of women's groups were frustrated that interpretations of the Borough's problems with CSE were often based on an assumption that similar abuse did not take place in their own community and therefore concentrated mainly on young white girls."
This is nothing to do with Cyril Smith, garry Glitter or Jimmy Savile and to bring them in confuses the issue. Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, there is no doubt that many Pakistani men treat girls and young women appallingly. This report recognises that . This is because such abuse is generally part of their "culture". It is not generally part of hours. There is more than one culture prevalent in the UK and among them is the culture that women are there to be abused.
Nobody has instructed these men that such a culture is not acceptable in the UK. The mania for "multiculturalism" is to blame for this and people have been encouraged to believe that all cultures are equally valid and acceptable. The remarks in the report support this and I stand by what I said.
Turning to the report:
"The inquiry team noted fears among council staff of being labelled "racist" if they focused on victims' description of the majority of abusers as "Asian" men."
"In the broader organisational context, however, there was a widespread perception that messages conveyed by some senior people in the Council and also the Police, were to 'downplay' the ethnic dimensions of CSE. Unsurprisingly, frontline staff appeared to be confused as to what they were supposed to say and do and what would be interpreted as 'racist'. From a political perspective, the approach of avoiding public discussion of the issues was ill judged. "
"Others believed there was wholesale denial of the problem in the Pakistani-heritage community in the same way that other forms of abuse were ignored. Representatives of women's groups were frustrated that interpretations of the Borough's problems with CSE were often based on an assumption that similar abuse did not take place in their own community and therefore concentrated mainly on young white girls."
This is nothing to do with Cyril Smith, garry Glitter or Jimmy Savile and to bring them in confuses the issue. Whether you like it or not, whether you accept it or not, there is no doubt that many Pakistani men treat girls and young women appallingly. This report recognises that . This is because such abuse is generally part of their "culture". It is not generally part of hours. There is more than one culture prevalent in the UK and among them is the culture that women are there to be abused.
Nobody has instructed these men that such a culture is not acceptable in the UK. The mania for "multiculturalism" is to blame for this and people have been encouraged to believe that all cultures are equally valid and acceptable. The remarks in the report support this and I stand by what I said.
one question which must be answered, if these sex abusers were non Asian would some action have taken place sooner ?
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Without a shadow of a doubt.
The 'celebrities' mentioned by mikey were largely individuals working on their own, using their status to commit their crimes.
Those mentioned in the report were a large gang with ethnic origins who were able to act with impunity as a result of political correctness and the fear that has gripped this nation and the governing bodies/legislative agencies of being accused of racism the second they actually attempt to carry out their jobs.
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Without a shadow of a doubt.
The 'celebrities' mentioned by mikey were largely individuals working on their own, using their status to commit their crimes.
Those mentioned in the report were a large gang with ethnic origins who were able to act with impunity as a result of political correctness and the fear that has gripped this nation and the governing bodies/legislative agencies of being accused of racism the second they actually attempt to carry out their jobs.
In my own experience it was a mixture of white, Pakistani or black men who were abusing the girls I knew. I have to admit it seemed to be mainly British Pakistani, I have no idea whether that is just because Leicester has a very large Asian population, or that British Pakistani men are more likely to commit this type of crime for 'cultural' reasons.
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